Stop Car Theft - GaviTrak GPS- Vehicle Security and Recovery

RB~Man · Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:44 am Post subject:

so should sumone leave car search and make the switch.???

bird want a ride · Ricer Joined: 03 Jan 2009 Tech posts: 23 My 2NRide:

is this register with insurance companies?

banzai · Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:48 pm Post subject:

What other costs are there, eg wouldn't I have to pay for a sim to be used in the car and te data charge? Is itreliant on the quaity of the cell network?
Thanks

Duane 3NE 2NR · Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2009 5:29 pm Post subject:

Ron17 · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 1:24 am Post subject:

RB~Man
You have the same features as car search at real time (as you are alerted immediately when your car is tampered with) plus a few additional features at a lower cost (no sub fees). So its up to you to decide, but I switched Smile

bird want a ride
You get discounts from all insurance companies once you have additional safety/ anti-theft devices in your vehicle. We are working with a few of the larger companies to offer an even further discount for our brand (this is still in negotiations). If your insurance company doesn't offer discounts for GPS (in the year 2009) switch insurance companies Smile

banzai
There is no charges applied for GPS however, for the GSM side of things there is a charge for SMS, and voice (not a data charge) which averages around $10 every 3 months (this is basically to keep the SIM active). GSM is also reliant on the cell network in Trinidad and Tobago and we do have a preferred network. This has shown us a 98% coverage rate as opposed to a 93% coverage rate for the other network. (I don't know if legally I can say which is which here but you can figure it out). We are not locked in to any mobile provider, so the customer has the choice of carrier.

hopes this answers your questions.

chanders · Street 2NR Joined: 26 Jan 2007 Tech posts: 38 My 2NRide:

is there any advantage with this compared to the services provided by EBSLTT Executive Bogyguard services.....?

biggy82 · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:52 am Post subject:

Ron17, with the cellular signal blocking technology that exists, if a thief were to place such a blocking device in the vehicle, will you not be able to track it? or be able to remotely shut the vehicle down?

0awg · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:57 am Post subject:

seanviper · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 9:09 am Post subject:

this system seems very promising
will continue monitoring this forum to make mydecision Laughing

Ron17 · Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject:

chanders
There are several differences,
1. GaviTrak has more features and is much cheaper than EBSL (EBSL monthly fee = $105, GaviTrak monthly fee = $0);
2. GaviTrak alerts the customer (on their mobile) in real-time if there is an issue with their vehicle (EBSL does not);
3. Our system is an alarm as well;
4. You have the option to shut down your car as soon as you are alerted.

biggy82
yes if they have a good GSM blocker they can stop you from sending the shut down to your vehicle. (Similar to both car search and EBSL). However, a good blocker is expensive for the average car thief to walk around with (not all of them work) and they have to know you have this device in your vehicle to walk prepared.

The advantage of GaviTrak over EBSL and car search here however is that once they begin to tamper with your car you have the few precious seconds to shut off your car (as you are alerted immediately) with the other companies you wont know a blocker is in place until its too late.

Psychomatrix · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:29 am Post subject:

Ron17
A few questions
1 how often is the real time data updated i.e if you are using an sms text to send location based data to the servers that host the maps how often is this sent so that your position is updated. and if you are sending sms messages very often then no matter that provider you are with the costs will be large.
on the other hand if you are using gprs to transmit data then there would be a monthly fee.
2 what are the hot lock and cold lock times of the gps?
3 how many satellites can the gps connect to at any point in time?
4 what is the accuracy of the gps
5 what kind of signal strength does the gps have ? if i park under a garage or building will it still transmit?
6 does the unit transmit when the vehicle is off?
7 does the unit store data in the event i want to get dack some kind of information
8 can i generate reports monthly or daily of where my car has been?
9 if i can what kind of reports?
10 do the units have to capability to tell me if my car was in an accident?

Ron17 · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:01 am Post subject:

Psychomatrix

Good questions;
Our system is a bit more innovative than the systems currently offered in Trinidad. Its an alarm system with GPS that can be stand alone OR used with control centre software (this is what EBSL, car search and Geotrac uses). What we provide the average consumer with one or a few cars is stand alone i.e. without the expensive control centre (unless the customer requests this) as this is cheaper and much more convenient. Your mobile will act as the centre in this case. So;

1. GPS/ GSM information updates every 5 seconds. Without the centre you only pay for an update when it is requested. You request once for the day you pay for one SMS.
With the centre you will be on CUG so you will pay a monthly fee for the mobile services. IT can be one SMS or one thousand SMS it will be the same fee.

2. The GPS is always on and running there wouldn't be cold lock. GPS is sent immediately with all SMS messages.

3. All GPS need a minimum of three satellites locked. (5 is the programmed search).

4. Free maps (google maps) are within 15-20 feet radius margin of error. Control centre maps are more precise with 5-10 feet radius margin of error.

5. It would depends on the building. So far during testing we have not seen any situation where it didn't transmit.

6. Unit is always on.

7. No trail data available for this particular unit without the CCS.

8. Only with the CCS

9. With the CCS you get locations, times, speeds reports. Also whatever alerts were sent and when.

10. You will get an alert on your mobile once there is any shock to the vehicle. Example, someone shakes the car or tampers with it while off and armed. While disarmed you will not get an alert.

Psychomatrix · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:41 am Post subject:

ron 17

so according to what you are saying only with the control center software can you see your vehicle actually online and actually moving in real time?

if the above is truen then if you request an update once a day then you are not seeing your vehicle moving in real time you are seeing reports of your vehicle for that day.

also if i need software to view my vehicle online then i cannot just log on to any pc any where in the world and load it up

if the gps is always running then it will need power where is power coming from my car battery or a built in battery in the unit. batteries have limited charges so if i leave the country for like a week will unit keep running draining what ever battery its running on?

4 with respect to accuray of the maps i am not questioning i am questioning the accuracy of the gps units themselves with only 5 satellites connected at any one point in time you resolution of error will be very low. therefore the gps co-ordinates themselves will have errors even with the most highend garming handheld for commercial usage with connection to between 20-27 satellites the best accuracy you can get is 3-4 meters i.e. 9-12 feet.

now anyone who have used gps in trinidad and taken points and plotted them onto a google map can tell you that there is a translational error where the points show up off this is due to how google was buit and the wsg system they built it on.

also google maps have lots of errors in road names and are missing alot of the road names and classes of roads.
how complete is you control center maps?

Ron17 · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:42 pm Post subject:

Psychomatrix

No. You can see you vehicle in real time/ online using requests when you need it and using free google maps. You would see it at that point, not a history trail. This is an AVL system for security, not a Nav system. So for example, I want to know where my car is now, i query it and see where my car is on the map.

You can query your vehicle from anywhere in the world and use google maps to view where it is (on your mobile or on a computer).

Power is from you car battery. There is a backup battery in the system. If power in your vehicle fails you will get an alert on your mobile telling you this. It wouldn't draw as much power from your vehicle to run down your battery in a week. Its power consumption is slightly higher than that of any other alarm system.

As mentioned before using the free software we have seen an average of 15-20 feet radius margin of error. For example, this means sometimes your car is parked on one side of the road and shows up on the other side, slightly lower down the street etc.

Even tough Google maps will have some errors in spelling say 'Sarangar' instead of 'Sangangar' its the security of the system and knowing that a pointer at 'Saranger, Diego Martin', means 'Sangangar, Diego Martin'. I don't think that anyone who has their vehicle stolen really concerns themselves with a spelling mistake as such. You also can see the general area and know which street through observation your vehicle is on. (Or at least our rapid response unit knows Smile

). Google has up to class 3 roads. which is sufficient for retrieval.
CCS maps are updated every 6 months and are up to class 5 roads.

^Pretty^ · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 5:26 pm Post subject:

do you have demo's for the alarm system available?

Ron17 · Posted: Fri Mar 06, 2009 6:00 pm Post subject:

vans · Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:37 pm Post subject:

for me to install and have you all monitor my car with full vehicle recovery 24/7 would cost me in total what?

Ron17 · Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2009 10:17 pm Post subject:

vans · Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject:

if i do decide to go with your vehicle recovery assistance how rapid do you all respond and do you all have personnel on call 24/7? also how many clients do you all currently have? so if i pay $3000 i have nothing to worry about financially unless i need you all to recover my vehicle jus want to be absolutely clear cause i am considering your service. how long does it take to install in a vehicle?

achillies · Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2009 8:14 pm Post subject:

hey ron17, i had a gsm/gps system installed in my car before i heard about u guys, but i like some of the features that u guys are offering in terms of recovery, is there any way i can link up with u guys in order to get the features that Gavitrack is offering.