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mugenracer Riding on 13's
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Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:00 pm Post subject: wtk......drilling holes in air box |
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| whats this ting about drilling holes in your air box?...thats for cars wit oem air intake system..saw that online where someone used a k & n panel filter and drilled holes in the air box |
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praise 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:44 am Post subject: |
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Interesting question and we can expect many different opinion. The air box is mainly to shield the incoming air to the engine from being heated by the engine itself. Cooler air contains more oxygen and also expands more so it give more power. That is why cars have intercooler to allow cooler air into the engine. The airbox is usually made from insulated hard plastic which is a not conductor of heat.
Now making holes in the airbox can benefit restriction of air that a K&N airfilter allows to flow freely, but will be disadvantage by air being heated by the engine.
An intake system is designed to draw sufficient air from outside the heated are of the engine compartment. So maybe it would not be adviceable to change the makers design as they were carefully engineered. |
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wagonrunner punchin NOS
Joined: 18 May 2004 Tech posts: 3601 Location: where the only valid opinion is theirs ....... :| My 2NRide: Nissan Y10 Wingroad LE
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| praise wrote: | | it would not be adviceable to change the makers design as they were carefully engineered |
it is therefore impossible to improve upon these things? |
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praise 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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When you speak about improvements, are you speaking about fuel economy or power? There is always room for improvements in either area. That's whats engineering is all about. What has to be taken into consideration is emission and either harmful effects or beneficial effects to your engine whenever we "improve" any design. The green gas effect we often overlook. Great amount of research, time and money has been spend to design and produce a automobile. Success or failure depends upon design.
There are many simple improvements you can do without any harm to your engine and the environment, like synthetic oil, K&N air filter, extractors,energy tyres.etc.
Improvements in performance can also be done by increasing intake size, bigger injectors or carbs , removing catalist convertor, etc but these are harmful to the environment.
There are itchy topics like magnets, air bleed fuel saver, water injections and most recently hydrogen kits, all claiming to improve performance and lower emission. The condensator is one of my favourite as it actually keep your oil and engine clean and you can see the toxic products being removed and store in a glass bottle, which you can dispose of after.
You can also convert your car to CNG.
The choice is yours, it's our earth which we live in, we can either protect and preserve it or help to destroy it. |
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SUPAstarr Trinituner Peong
Joined: 31 Jan 2005 Tech posts: 450 Location: Her name is Isabel and she gettin an H My 2NRide: Honda Civic
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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| wtf kinda girly scientific talk is that, my intelligence is wayyy tooo low to understand anythin u jus said. |
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Sky 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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| praise wrote: | Interesting question and we can expect many different opinion. The air box is mainly to shield the incoming air to the engine from being heated by the engine itself. Cooler air contains more oxygen and also expands more so it give more power. That is why cars have intercooler to allow cooler air into the engine. The airbox is usually made from insulated hard plastic which is a not conductor of heat.
Now making holes in the airbox can benefit restriction of air that a K&N airfilter allows to flow freely, but will be disadvantage by air being heated by the engine.
An intake system is designed to draw sufficient air from outside the heated are of the engine compartment. So maybe it would not be adviceable to change the makers design as they were carefully engineered. |
And here I was thinking intercoolers were to cool the air that's hot as fk because the turbo/supercharger compressed it. |
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praise 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Sky wrote: | | praise wrote: | Interesting question and we can expect many different opinion. The air box is mainly to shield the incoming air to the engine from being heated by the engine itself. Cooler air contains more oxygen and also expands more so it give more power. That is why cars have intercooler to allow cooler air into the engine. The airbox is usually made from insulated hard plastic which is a not conductor of heat.
Now making holes in the airbox can benefit restriction of air that a K&N airfilter allows to flow freely, but will be disadvantage by air being heated by the engine.
An intake system is designed to draw sufficient air from outside the heated are of the engine compartment. So maybe it would not be adviceable to change the makers design as they were carefully engineered. |
And here I was thinking intercoolers were to cool the air that's hot as fk because the turbo/supercharger compressed it. |
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my intelligence is wayyy tooo low to understand anythin
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I couln't agree with you more.
People like you have nothing possitive to contribute. Stop trying to belittle people because of your ignorance. It get you nowhere. There is a place for that behaviour. It's call Parliament. |
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Cleriq 12 pounds of Boost
Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Tech posts: 2207 Location: 9200 RPM My 2NRide: Honda Integra Type R
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:08 am Post subject: |
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praise, you full of it yes!
mugenracer, people try all sorts of things to make power. The power you get from drilling holes in your stock airbox is negligible. |
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NY4PD Street 2NR
Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Tech posts: 40 Location: Florida My 2NRide: Honda Civic Si
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:13 am Post subject: |
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drilling holes in your original air is not good.
You will be pulling in all the hot air from the motor bay, its like the short ram air intake all it does is bring in all the hot air from the engine room.
You need to route the air from the coolest point of air in front of the car to see or get better performance. If you look carefully the original box is routed in a good spot and you can replace the filter with a better one if you like but don't drill holes. |
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red_dragon 3NE 2NR for life
Joined: 08 Apr 2004 Tech posts: 123 Location: HUNTING FOR KINDAY My 2NRide: honda EK4 Civic
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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put in a K&N drop in
short ram will be hot air
and u can even loose power with certain Cold air intakes
u want performance take out the engine and get a K20R |
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NY4PD Street 2NR
Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Tech posts: 40 Location: Florida My 2NRide: Honda Civic Si
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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Here is the real deal for air filtering.
this is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThmW2SW1I-k
The foam filter is much better.
I even use foam filters in my A/C in the house as well.
so as you'll see not even K&N filter is still not good, but yet people belive that they are good. |
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honda hoe 3ne2nr Toppa Toppa
Joined: 31 May 2006 Tech posts: 5911 Location: girls suck. women swallow. act your age My 2NRide: Honda Integra Type R
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| red_dragon wrote: | | u want performance take out the engine and get a K20R |
man ask for filter an u tellin d man bout engine swap  |
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red_dragon 3NE 2NR for life
Joined: 08 Apr 2004 Tech posts: 123 Location: HUNTING FOR KINDAY My 2NRide: honda EK4 Civic
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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the man want HP gains from doin $h!T ...  |
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bluesteel29 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| NY4PD wrote: | Here is the real deal for air filtering.
this is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThmW2SW1I-k
The foam filter is much better.
I even use foam filters in my A/C in the house as well.
so as you'll see not even K&N filter is still not good, but yet people belive that they are good. |
who have dat free flow filter bizniss down here???? |
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NY4PD Street 2NR
Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Tech posts: 40 Location: Florida My 2NRide: Honda Civic Si
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:58 am Post subject: filter |
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| bluesteel29 wrote: | | NY4PD wrote: | Here is the real deal for air filtering.
this is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThmW2SW1I-k
The foam filter is much better.
I even use foam filters in my A/C in the house as well.
so as you'll see not even K&N filter is still not good, but yet people belive that they are good. |
who have dat free flow filter bizniss down here???? |
Here is the link:
http://www.trufilter.com/ |
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NY4PD Street 2NR
Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Tech posts: 40 Location: Florida My 2NRide: Honda Civic Si
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:58 am Post subject: filter |
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| bluesteel29 wrote: | | NY4PD wrote: | Here is the real deal for air filtering.
this is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThmW2SW1I-k
The foam filter is much better.
I even use foam filters in my A/C in the house as well.
so as you'll see not even K&N filter is still not good, but yet people belive that they are good. |
who have dat free flow filter bizniss down here???? |
Here is the link:
http://www.trufilter.com/ |
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NY4PD Street 2NR
Joined: 05 Aug 2008 Tech posts: 40 Location: Florida My 2NRide: Honda Civic Si
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| bluesteel29 wrote: | | NY4PD wrote: | Here is the real deal for air filtering.
this is the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThmW2SW1I-k
The foam filter is much better.
I even use foam filters in my A/C in the house as well.
so as you'll see not even K&N filter is still not good, but yet people belive that they are good. |
who have dat free flow filter bizniss down here???? |
Link corrected:
http://www.streetsideauto.c...esetPQ=True&ResetAPQ=True |
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corolla_2nr 3NE2NR is my LIFE
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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NY4PD,
that trueflow thing seems AMAZING... i learnt a lot from the video, no wonder we had to change or paper filter so quickly
i hadda do some more research on it tho. I thinking about puting one of those in the rolla.
yes i do visit this forum too
BTW, thanks man |
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honda hoe 3ne2nr Toppa Toppa
Joined: 31 May 2006 Tech posts: 5911 Location: girls suck. women swallow. act your age My 2NRide: Honda Integra Type R
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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corolla_2nr,
wha u doin in here?
20v valve forums thataway ---------------->
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skylineGTR55036018 Ricer
Joined: 25 Jun 2008 Tech posts: 21 Location: In The Bo0sted Lane My 2NRide: honda coupe si.
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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| i totally agree with red dragon.. jus get a Kseries n u on... |
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