Why is filler a bad ting?

[ShIvAm]

well?

[VexXx Dogg]

body filler is sometimes necessary for restoration/handle rust etc, BUT some local straighteners overdo it and have INCHES of filler on the car.
that is poor workmanship and a terrible shortcut.
This has become the norm, so almost everyone who is buying a used car checks for filler expecting BAD work.

[B20VTEK]

Nothing is wrong with filler is applied CORRECTLY.

There should be no more than 1/4" depth Of filler.
It also has to be mixed properly, and the surface must be prepared properly.

[wagonrunner]

do vehicles, come from the manufacturer with filler or metal panels?
is it an upgrade to those metal panels?

[hong kong phooey]

even brand new cars from the firm sometimes have filler
was at a garage in sanfernando where they brought in new cars to remove little dents on doors and fenders

[hong kong phooey]

And all body repair shop need to use it to get rid of dents, cover up weldings
when yhey remake parts,
once the surface is prepared properly before pasting starts you normally do not have a problem with the filler
again u cannot put loads of filler on. but some costumers dont want to pay the price for good work so they have to settle for crap'

the fiberglass filler is much better that the regular filler as it adheres to the metal better

[wagonrunner]

[B20VTEK]

[ghostbusters]

fibre glass filler also takes much longer to dry

[minipresident]

i think fellas get carried away with the filler thing. anybody whoever used filler especially the fiber glass filler will tell you it is really nice and encouraging to use and this helps to promote shabby workmanship.

i remember once while removing old filler whilst doing over the body on a maxi we bought, ...them boys instead of cutting out and replacing the rusted spots; take newspaper and place it over the hole and slap filler on top ah dat!

[vin123]

A straightner once told me that they make filler to use on cars is jus some man does get filler happy lol

[hong kong phooey]

think as mini president said we getting carried away

the man ask why is filler a bad thing?

1. because it could hide shitty workmanship : it is easier to dump alot of paste that pounding out the dent and using less paste
2. because if the surface not prepared right it will swell
3. some paints seem not to adhere well, could be surface preparation

but filler is a necessity unless you want to buy new parts (not foreign used, new)
once a straightner makes a part or welds on the vehicle he has to use paste to cover it up.

Give the straightner his due some times when some one brings in a car thats already repaired it has paste on it the owner does not want to pay the straightner to remove all the old paste .
the reason the car gets so much paste on it is because if the straightner tells you the part need changing out . most will say "boy that part to exensive youcannot do anything with it" so he has to make sugar from sheit and paste is his magic ingredient

[B20VTEK]

Paste is usually referred to as putty...

Putty should only be used to fill 'pin' holes.

[bushwakka]

IMO....it is unacceptable to buy a 'new' car an find filler on it...unless u get a discount on it

[Knight1]

On a car that has experienced the regular "door dings"/slight imperfections in the bodywork etc with age, sometimes the only solution to get back the clean lines etc etc IF doing a body shop "restoration"/repair, would be to use some filler.

It's inevetable in almost ANY piece of bodywork.


PERIOD.



The PROBLEM lies in how it's USED by some bodyshops. Folks prefer to put a hammer out a body panel and put a TON of paste to make it fit, and try to look proper, rather than buy a new/used panel, and touch up with probably less than 10 grams of paste here and there just to ensure a "clean"/flush finish.


My 2c.

[ShIvAm]

so wa if u cyah get the panel???? i guess u ha no choice...

[hong kong phooey]

^^^
lots of body shops have proper benders where they have the capibility of making the panel

[Sanctifier]

[B20VTEK]

Sanctifier, next time i gonna pay you to do any body work for me

[Sanctifier]

^ ^ ^ Yeah right! I'm a rank novice, padna... and I also have three DIY projects to do.

The pros say the better the sander, the better the finish... so I'm buying a pair of Hutchins sanders.
1 x Vacuum Assist, Random Orbital... and 1 x WaterBug Random Orbital for colour-sanding clear coat.

Hope they help reduce my screw-ups.

[ShIvAm]

and how much ppl does do a GOOD body job in tnt... cause it eh soundin like plenty ppl. an Sanctifier, look like he eh no novice, apparently he kno he stuff.

[ShIvAm]

and i guessing a proper body job go be a ton a work on a older car....

[Sanctifier]

[brakefluid]

Some people that claim to have gotten an excellent job may not know if any shortcuts were taken to achieve the desired finish....at least not at the time. With any trade there are shortcuts and time is money.

Professionals know how to take these short cuts and how far to go with them. Unless you working on the car yourself, you CANNOT be guaranteed a good job unless of course the straightener gives you a warranty.

[brakefluid]

Bondage between filler and metal is only temporary. The metal should be epoxy coated before fillering. Of course metal preparation is the root to good fillerwork. Also, the thicker the filler, the more likely it is to crack whether visual or not. IMO going over 1/2" is overdoing it.

[Sanctifier]

[brakefluid]

[Sanctifier]

[brakefluid]

Scene meh dawg

[Sanctifier]