Which class would this be in?

d spike · Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:37 am Post subject: Which class would this be in?

Hi folks,
This is a "bench racing" question. What solodex class would this combination fall into?
A Vauxhall Viva HC...

with a stock 2000cc Pinto (Ford Cortina engine)?

_moti_ · Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject:

ESP

me think

great combo though those pinto's can give you great numbers

d spike · Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2009 4:00 pm Post subject:

Really? So if I just add 400cc to my engine, I will catapult from GS to ESP...
A stock 2.0 Pinto generates 82hp and my car weighs 1999lbs – and that is with the lighter 1600cc Kent, not to mention the gearbox is lighter as well. The “on-line dyno” at RPM.com put a ¼ mile time of a car weighing 2000lbs and pushing 80hp at the wheels at 17 seconds. ES? What you think?

It would be fun to be considered competitive at ESP in a car costing less than $5000!!! Battling it out with Audi A4s, Primeras, turbocharged Mazdas and Toyotas, 1993 Supras...
Very Happy

_moti_ · Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:29 am Post subject:

hey i don't have a clue of class placing eh so don
t take my word for it.

i just seeing a 2000cc and think of cars with similar numbers where they are Neutral

but 82hp from a 2000cc Confused

i going and google those engines yes i have alot more learning to do Embarassed

but what happen you get fed up in GS with alan

saltydog · Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 8:32 am Post subject:

well besides the power to weight ratio the age and suspension design also have to be factored. this would put you in es.

reiXmann · Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:11 am Post subject:

d spike · Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:31 am Post subject:

No Moti, not fed up - far from it! GS is the class with the best ratio of little spending:plenty fun! I am building another GS car and would prefer to use the Kent 1600cc in it. This leaves the Vauxhall open for an upgrade. So I'm not leaving GS. It's just that a Pinto in the Viva is a tickle I would love to scratch!

If you want a clue about class placing in dex, check the CARS website. The info and examples of cars placed has always been most useful. ( Yes Salty, ES was the sentence passed by some of my old gang (the Old Car Posse) when they viewed the CARS listing.)

Reixmann, I think when Salty said "age", he was not refering to a rubric or part of the rules, but the idea that old engine technology is not as efficient as more modern counterparts. (No MG, that's not MY opinion, that's just what people say... put down the stone, nah...)

Moti, that is why I specified "stock" in my query. The 2L Pinto was designed before many of the people reading this were born, but this mill has heaps of potential - however that is another story.

gt4tified · Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:40 am Post subject:

d spike · Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:02 am Post subject:

zodiaque · Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:18 pm Post subject:

Keep 'er in GS, I could use the challenge! Laughing

saltydog · Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 2:48 pm Post subject:

well you may not see in the rules as the age of the car, you might see it based on the design of the suspension and the power to weight ratio.

If you have a car designed in the 1970's that weighs 3000lbs and you have a car from 2009 that weighs the same amount and they have the same power the car from 2009 should be higher classed. This is because of design improvements in those 39 years. we are classing cars here and lets be fair how can standard cortina engine in a viva chassis compete with a newer car? now if you modify the engine and get 140bhp and redesign the suspension then we have a case but not as per the request.

gt4tified · Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:18 pm Post subject:

d spike · Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:01 pm Post subject:

Zodi, none of my "old car" pardners will be able to run until middle of next year, and you busy taking your toy apart to see what makes that funny sound... does GS really exist? If a Vauxhall falls in the forest by itself, does it make a sound? (strains of 'Only the lonely' in the background...)

"now if you modify the engine and get 140bhp and redesign the suspension..." SSH! oh gorm... (Moti, re 2L Pinto, a not-too-robust cam and headers = 135bhp...) Wink

"On another note though, not because a design is dated does it mean that it is out-of-date. " Preach it, gt4tified, preach! holy words! A brother in the faith! Very Happy

That is exactly what my gang of heathens has been saying all these years. But then, I implied as such in my third post above...
Oh, I forgot... "Nope, sorry I can't read."
Ahh well... if you want, my 9 year old daughter and my 11 year old son can both read quite well. They can give you lessons, if you like... Laughing

Team Loco · Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:30 pm Post subject:

welcome to my class!!

_moti_ · Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:44 am Post subject:

^^ you in ES too Shocked

oh boy ES getting just like ESP Neutral

d spike · Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:33 am Post subject:

oh gorm... this was a "bench racing" question, To Stimulate Healthy Conversation Among Like Minds, as Pooh would say... Nah leaving GS!!! (even if it means running the Escort at competition dex, and the Viva at BYCCs)

Now poor ol' Zodi mus' be wrap up inside he gutted Lancer weeping his eyes out Crying or Very sad

(Pink Floyd "Is there anybody out there?" playing...)

corollalover101 · Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 9:42 am Post subject:

de phoq Team Loco, in the gang too Laughing

good thing most ES guys are there just to learn their cars and have fun, should be a nice class in the new year... btw where DF1_2nR, my brother in the faith of automatic transmissions?

d spike · Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:27 pm Post subject:

"should be a nice class in the new year..."
Sigh... Sad

Wish I could say the same for GS...
Crying or Very sad

Rudman · Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 6:32 pm Post subject:

DF1_2nR · Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:57 pm Post subject:

I wish.

No plans to go manual anytime soon.

Car undergoing some repairs right now but should be back on the road by next week.

Hope to be at the next event, whenever that is.