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stephanweaver
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 Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:27 am
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well if it hard for you..... daz you.
its straight forward to me. |
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HondaB20B
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:46 am
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| no it aint hard for me |
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stephanweaver
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:48 am
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u had me wondering for a minute lol....
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Cleriq
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 6:17 pm
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Whey sah, ya'll real assuming or I am being very ambiguous. 
I never said what tools I would and would not use, I was making a reference (I can get any tool necessary).
And nothing is wrong with DIY, I thrive on it! No one touches my car unless under my supervision, even the men who washing it.
Unusual oil consumption comes from various situations, two of them I know are rings and valve seals.
I wont talk about how rings go bad, but valve seals don't 'go bad' jus so.
The valves seals are made of rubber and rubber parts need lubrication. The car has been parked without use for probably over two years. Two years with out lubrication WILL cause rubber parts to harden and deteriotate. Why should I assume that my valve guides are bad also and go pull off my head unnecessarily?
The valve seals CAN be changed (with the right tools) without pulling the head off. If ya'll don't know how, then go find out!
I have no problem pulling the head and changing everything that could be changed. But when it is not NECESSARY I choose not to, knowing that I'll have to do an overhaul soon. |
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W2J
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:20 pm
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| You do not need to remove a head (depending on which engine) to change valve seals. All you need is a spring compressor tool and a compressor and the know how. |
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stephanweaver
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Posted: Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:47 pm
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what happens if u drop a valve?  |
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X2
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:05 am
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| W2J wrote: | | You do not need to remove a head (depending on which engine) to change valve seals. All you need is a spring compressor tool and a compressor and the know how. |
Those pig foot tools easy to use on some cars (particularly US made cars)... but kinda hard to use on the B heads.
| Quote: | Whey sah, ya'll real assuming or I am being very ambiguous.
I never said what tools I would and would not use, I was making a reference (I can get any tool necessary). |
dais the thing... u not telling us nothing... just asking questions and arguing the answers.
Ok Ok.... Q... check this...
Bring a friend and you don't HAVE to remove the manifold... you already there... You already have to take off the cams and LMA's ANYWAY ! Just a few more stingy bolts away from pulling the head and getting to check your guide and stem clearances... DOOO EEEET..... if you can get the tools as you say... then DIY !!! You've done harder stuff than this... this ent rocket science. The only thing you might not be able to do at ur place is replacing the guides.
| stephanweaver wrote: | | what happens if u drop a valve? |
You can easily put each cylinder to TDC as you go... so even if u drop it... it won't be going far.  |
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stephanweaver
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:27 am
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at that age better to decarbonaize 1 time.
pull the head and clean it good. |
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Cleriq
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:23 am
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| W2J wrote: | | You do not need to remove a head (depending on which engine) to change valve seals. All you need is a spring compressor tool and a compressor and the know how. |
Like you read the honda manual boy, but wait this method not in the manual.
In any case, one of my other options was; to use a thicker oil untill I do the 100k service and rebuild the head.
Two days ago I flushed the 10w30 and filled up on the 20w50. I'll be running this for the next 6-7000 kms. Since my Pops is adamant about the valve guides, I will not negelect to check them in the rebuild so I would pull the head and do all necessary maintenance work, which I will document for 3NE2NR purposes.
But I must admit, the 20w50 feels slightly sluggish. But that is another topic  .
Thanks all for you comments and advice.
BTW Pops, you know that head can't go back in the way it came out?  |
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stephanweaver
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:25 am
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burning 10w30oil is not normal?
mine burns like a mofo |
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stephanweaver
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:26 am
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dont forget, have the engine cool before working on it.
check cspeed racing for help on removing the head.
if u need any more articles, u can ask me and ill ppst it up.
good luck cleriq.
slap in some cams 1 time |
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Cleriq
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:42 am
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| stephanweaver wrote: | dont forget, have the engine cool before working on it.
check cspeed racing for help on removing the head.
if u need any more articles, u can ask me and ill ppst it up.
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Uh...ok!
BTW I burn a qt every 400-500kms. |
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Spyrogyra
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:02 pm
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| I wouldn't attempt removing the head if I was doing it for the first time and I couldn't afford something breaking..... |
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Spyrogyra
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:07 pm
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Cleriq,
just a thought, try changing your PCV if you haven't yet |
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kes_vtec
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 3:44 pm
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| summit have some nice tools b-series tools you guys should look at... |
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X2
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:53 pm
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| Spyrogyra wrote: | | I wouldn't attempt removing the head if I was doing it for the first time and I couldn't afford something breaking..... |
Nah... dunno if cleriq has done it before, but he's quite capable of doing it.... is the internals one has to be careful with.... losing or damaging a valve keeper and it's tears !
BTW... if the cams getting the boot....... um... PM...  |
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dizzEK3h
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:50 am
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you can replace the valve seals without removing the head,the procedure
requires that you apply air pressure to the cylinder through the spark plug
hole(there,s an adapter avaliable fof this). the air pressure keeps the valves
closed while you disassemble the valvetrain assembly and replace the valve
seals. please note that the seals are colour coded : white-intake, : black-
exhaust. |
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Sunrise City Rider
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Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 5:48 pm
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Man, you do what you feel you know what to do, but you will have to fill the cylinder with compressed air to keep the valves from dropping into the combustion chamber...
Me??? I would pull the head and send it to machine shop for cleaning, a 3 angle valve job, new seals and reassemble...Then, just get a new headgasket, new head bolts or ARP Head Studs, and a torque wrench...You shouldn't do things like this that have to be done once every couple of years in a half ass way...
Do it right the first time...Its not like you are wasting money to do it like I would do it...
Save your money to do it right and in the meantime, always keep a quart of oil in the car to top off... |
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stephanweaver
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Posted: Mon Apr 23, 2007 11:57 pm
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valve guides, you looking for that cleriq? |
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Cleriq
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 6:06 am
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| ^nope! |
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