Tools Used I.C.E ...

(...Rovin...) · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: Tools Used I.C.E ...

well i see ppl talking about tools used in car audio builds in my box thread so im thinking we all can discuss it a bit & share some knowledge even though its not technically car audio equipment , its sometimes used in d installation process

my 2 cents on small compact table saws - if anybody is thinking of buying d home use model around $1100-1200 to use for box building , consider this : a sheet of mdf or plywood is typically 4ftx8ft & would be cumbersome & dangerous to cut that on small table saw

use a power saw with a straight edge clamped on each side as a guide - i use a spirit level since u cant get straighter than that ... Wink

... or if u have 2 sheets of wood use d side of 1 as d straight guide ....

after sectioning that full sheet of wood into smaller more manageble pieces with a power saw then u can make final cuts with a table saw ...

how to choose a table saw
http://benchmark.20m.com/ar...selecting_a_tablesaw.html

http://www.motherearthnews....Choosing-a-Table-Saw.aspx

http://www.woodcentral.com/bparticles/con_vs_table.shtml

tuners : feel free to add any input & advice ... Cool

***hope some ppl dont spam d thread causing d mods to put it in ole talk section ....

pioneer · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:24 pm Post subject:

Good thread, was gonna make a question thread concerning this.

I looking to buy a circular saw this week, doesn't need to be heavy duty, i see Bhags have a Black & Decker that got some good reviews.

This is it
http://www.blackanddecker.c...ails.aspx?ProductID=15541

For $500

What allyuh think?

I gonna check them hardwares in south tomorrow or during the week.

pioneer · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:35 pm Post subject:

What kind of blades and teeth count would you use to cut MDF?

And, what is the average price of a sheet of 3/4 MDF? Is $160 good?

Also, do any hardwares cut them in half if need be for easier transport?...cuz hardwares up by me charging $100 to deliver, and it's like 5 mins from home Confused

(...Rovin...) · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject:

B&D has been around long b4 we born & its good stuff for d home user

that "laser guide" thingy is a waste of flippin time since no matter if is d worlds best laser its ur crooked cutting bend hand thats doing d work !

i have ah padna who into car audio yrssssssss b4 me & he cuts free hand - no need to explain how 'straight' it comes out ...for precison work nothing beats a clamped straight edge

invest in some quailty C Clamps , spring clamps & quick grips clamps to make life easier too ...... Wink

as u in south check dansteel too - that place big & they have a good variety of stuff ...also SWS & laughlin & degannes (hope ah spell it correct - .... Mr. Green

pioneer · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject:

Yeh i plan to use a straight edge, would an L square work?...i thinking it's not thick enough to properly guide the saw, as it might "climb" over it

The split level sounds like a plan, i'll get a good aluminium one.

Price on MDF?

(...Rovin...) · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:45 pm Post subject:

now see ur post

i think its a 32 teeth fine cutting carbide blade i used (IRWIN) cuts like butter when i bought it but after hitting steel & 1 or 2 teeth knock out Laughing

& cutting few a few screws i didnt see it not as sharp now obviously but still works good ...have used nicholson carbide blades & they work good too

$160 is about d price right now some places still chargeing 200

thats y if u notice in my box pics in d back ground u will always see a small stack of mdf since weather u buy 1 sheet or 100 sheets d bigger hardwares charging a standard fee while some of d smaller places delivering free

when i occasionally want 1" mdf well i carry my p\saw , str8 edge , clamps to d\ware & cut it there & put d pieces in my wagon .... Mr. Green

(...Rovin...) · Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:49 pm Post subject:

pioneer · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:05 am Post subject:

Nice thanks

Yeh i have a Black & Decker jigsaw bout 6 years now and it works fine, and it sits outside all the time and always works.

silent_riot · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 6:37 am Post subject:

Good thread, Rovin. Are the more powerful power saws better to cut MDF? Or does it matter?

Chiney · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 8:12 am Post subject:

** takes note... gotta get me some clamps**

i fedup use a straight piece of pine or teak fuh my fence.

gonna get a level like u mention

nice Mr. Green

loudsound · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:34 am Post subject:

dont need ah level jus ah straight edge + clamps,
40 teeth works best (more tooth better finish), i use irwin blades dunno both others,
u guys can buy black and decker but if u buildin on a regular scale it "will" let u down in time.... Twisted Evil

MonsterPower · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 9:59 am Post subject:

makita 12v drill never let me down in the 3+ yrs i had it ...

what about routers? i have never worked with them but i have seen the wonders they can do ..

who here can say how it works and what are the jigs u have to make ?

Chiney · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:25 am Post subject:

loudsound · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:40 am Post subject:

^^^^
alot of tuners seen my work....i kno u dont need it jus tellin tuners my way
my cuts are real straight....
i hav been workin wit tools since i was 12 years from home tools to heavy industrial tool
and as im a machinist i kno about precision (as fine as a hair grain) Twisted Evil

i hav been workin wit straight edge and up 2 dis day it gives me a STRAIGHT EDGE Very Happy

an black and deckers cant take pressure dey does back out Laughing

X_Factor · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:43 am Post subject:

Dewalt - circular saw using a 30 teeth blade...my partner who does woodworking told me, they change blades very often even though they know its still sharp its less stress on the saw

the straight edge i have is about 4 pieces of 1x2 hollow steel that they use in gate framing...its light and works perfect

various G clamps and clothes pin type clamps bought in william h scott( best 100.00 ever spent)

the butane torch...madness( even did aluminum wielding on a intake in my car)

skill jig saw...works perfect soo far...
http://www.skiltools.com/en...ml?pid=4680-04&cid=192165
who ever invented that 360deg. scrolling tingy..sweet....

all i wanna get is the screw guide that you pull over the screw so the screw doesnt slip off the drill
http://www.amazon.com/DeWal...ct-Magnetic/dp/B0000225P8

an electric plane is the next tool i wanna get

loudsound · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 10:45 am Post subject:

^^^^^home mart has a full dewalt kit WIT THE SCREW GUIDE for $275

X_Factor · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:05 am Post subject:

[...Rovin...], as for the table saw issue being too small..i've seen in woodworking places extend the table using a sheet of mdf..its like a table attached to the table saw to accommodate the sheet of mdf

pioneer, honestly i'd put the extra and get a better brand circular saw than the B+D, i think the quality of the products kinda drop a bit recently
its just a couple hundred $ extra anyways

Chiney · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 11:10 am Post subject:

X_Factor · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 12:33 pm Post subject:

WHOO HOO

pioneer · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:07 pm Post subject:

Chiney relax nah? Confused

Anything with a "straight" edge can work as a fence...it have plenty straight thing selling in the hardware.

pioneer · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject:

Chiney · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject:

iight iight my bad Laughing

(...Rovin...) · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 2:28 pm Post subject:

know some1 who bought a dewalt last yr & he paid $850 i think - never used their p\saw but on d whole DEWALT is a very durable well made brand close in quality to MILWAUKEE (whose quality i like even more) but dewalt is priced a bit more reasonable....if fact i have a metal chop saw from them going on almost 10yrs (used to be a welder yrs ago) , 3/8" keyless chuck dril & a sander\polisher ...all dewalt

well for my preference i like using d edge of a level since like i said cant get straighter than that & mine cost me less than a 100 think i paid $60 for it

IMO - B&D p\saws good for d home user who may use it now\then for small projects
if u doing carpentry for a living d B&D wont last as long as d higher end brands ...like said above using d correct blade is d key

Router - well i got 2 ...a B&D which works alright but i feel it can be better
got a PORTER CABLE mini laminate trimmer\min router - works rel sweet for smaller jobs

yes u can use table extensions on a compact tablesaw it will take up some garage space though .....

X_Factor · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject:

http://www.spectools.com/spec.htm

who got those?...works sweet for backdash work

pioneer · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject:

Rovin, loundsound etc...

I getting this Makita 5740NB for $1100

http://www.makita.com/menu.php?pg=product_det&tag=5740NB

Is it a good saw?...think it's worth the extra $$ over the Black & Decker?

I see it comes with a rip fence

MonsterPower · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:04 pm Post subject:

wda is a rip fence? i know a fence is to keep de neghbours out but i guessin its some sort of guide?

ok so i not the best in the carpentry section ... this thread i actually learning somn

keep the posts comin fellas

pioneer · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:09 pm Post subject:

Yeh a rip fence is used to keep the saw running straight along your mark line.

I think i'll go with the Black & Decker

(...Rovin...) · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:18 pm Post subject:

well B&D \ skil \ reg series craftsman are all in d home use catagory

where as makita \ dewalt \ milwaukee \ bosch \ ported cable etc in d better built catagory - good for builders\contractors

that rip fence doesnt seem very usefull for wide wood in box building - they probably have it as incentive to buy like how B&D has d laser thing

if u can still get a dewalt for $850 like how they were priced last yr i would buy that for sure - check by bhags

btw - i use a reg craftsman p\saw in my box work ..its about 5-6yrs old ..a bit bulkily built but at d time was either that or B&D ...if i had to buy id pick a heavier built brand ....

pioneer · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:22 pm Post subject:

Bhags have a Dewalt for $899 with rip fence and case

(...Rovin...) · Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2008 7:33 pm Post subject:

well IMO i consider dewalt & makita to be close in quality so that sounds like a good deal...could always search it online & see what reviews & faults ppl have to say about it .....