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MonsterPower Riding on 17's
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:41 am Post subject: |
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guys u all think that a stable currant system comes from a better alt but in fact a stock alt rated @120A will perform better idling cold than an upgraded alt which needs to idle at 2000rpm.. so in this case stock alt will be better ..
once booom can get max currant from that alt i.e the big 3 upgrade and his batteries are fully and properly charged with correct guage wire runinig from front to back with proper grounds he can safely burp with a voltage drop up to 12.5 up from 13.5
a proper power foundation on an average amp will beat a very bess amp on a shitty power setup ... thing is spl is just not about the amp as other factors come into play like box design ,power transfer and install |
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DJ Q TriniTuner 24-7
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: |
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once booom can get max currant from that alt i.e the big 3 upgrade and his batteries are fully and properly charged with correct guage wire runinig from front to back with proper grounds he can safely burp with a voltage drop up to 12.5 up from 13.5
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that's the electrical upgrade i was talking about |
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DJ Q TriniTuner 24-7
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 8:52 am Post subject: |
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pioneer Chronic 2NR
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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| boom wrote: | DJ Q, is only the alt Im not allowed to upgrade, the battery and cap should be able to mentain me for the 3-5sec interval..
pioneer, I dont get it, you insist that the amp can do .5ohm but afraid to run it there..Tell you Ill let you run over the electricals of the van, if you dont like it fine.. |
I think you still haven't gotten it
It's MY amp, it's not a test subject
Fine, i make a claim and don't wanna back it up, that's MY problem
As i said a sub handling 500W @ 1 ohm, isn't gonna handle more power if you wire the sub to 0.5 ohm.
What i saying is Atomic doesn't make or design amps. They simply contracted out the job to make them an amp so they could put their brand on it.
Would you say the RD Audio amps can't do 0.5 ohm?
If all 3 amps are the same, why only one in your perception, will be able to do 0.5 ohm? |
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slacker_jack TriniTuner 24-7
Joined: 31 Jul 2007 Tech posts: 1607 Location: where digicel doh even get service My 2NRide: Nissan Almera
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| pioneer wrote: | As i said a sub handling 500W @ 1 ohm, isn't gonna handle more power if you wire the sub to 0.5 ohm.
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this is a popular misconcepion that pple hav, lower impendance = more power (esp down by me).
I donnow hen they will unnerstan that 500 rms @ 4 ohm & 500 rms @ 0.5 ohm is still 500 rms  |
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MonsterPower Riding on 17's
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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actually slacker u confusing amps with subwoofers..
most class d amps the more u load them .. in terms of the lower the impedence the more power they will output .. i.e some amps give alot more than rated power at 0.5 than at 1 ohm or even 2 ohm ..
now a subwoofer no matter hwo u wire it will not raise the ratings .. if it is 500wrms if u parallel it it will not handle 1000wrms
however i have powered subs with well over their rated power and never had them burn .. |
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pioneer Chronic 2NR
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 12:55 pm Post subject: |
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| So why not shoot for the safer 1ohm load? |
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MonsterPower Riding on 17's
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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pioneer in spl comps pple try to squeeze every possible watt out of the amp .. if u start to read up on the stuff pple do ... in trini pple just read a magazine and see soundstream 6500d doin these number so they rush out and buy it then to realise it doesnt put ot those power cuz some pple runing the amps at half ohm and 16v of currant to get the maximum power out ot fhe amp
now i am not applying this to daily playing nor sq which i know boom is not gonna do |
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slacker_jack TriniTuner 24-7
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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naw, i meant hose idiots down by me think that if you wire subs down to 1 ohm you will be "louder" than if you wire the subs @ 4 ohm.
I hav an idea of how the amps config does usually go: 250 rms @ 4 ohm, 500 rms @ 2 ohm, 1000 rms @ 1 ohm if it capable of goin down to 1 ohm etc. most cant go down to 0.5 ohm (like some ah de ever popular boss chaos 1000).
but what i meant like with respect to amps, they believe that the 500 rms from a 4 ohm stable amp putting out 500 rms @ 4 ohm (cant go lower than 4) is less than the 500 rms that you will get from an amp that puts out 500 rms @ 1 ohm. |
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riadb TriniTuner 24-7
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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Optidrive Series 2000 Watt Half Ohm Stable Mono Block Digital Competition Class Amplifier
SPECS
700 Watts RMS Power @ 4 Ohms
1100 Watts RMS Power @ 2 Ohms
1600 Watts RMS Power @ 1.3 Ohms
2000 Watts Max Power @ 0.5 Ohms
4000 Watts Bridge Max Power @ 2 Ohms
Mono Block Subwoofer Amplifier
0.5 Ohm Stable
MOSFET Power Supply
PWM (Pulse-Width-Modulated) System
Double Sided Epoxy PCB Circuit Board
Gold Plated RCA Inputs
Custom Terminal Block for Speaker Connections
Thermal, Overload Short Protection
Remote Bass Control
Soft Turn On/Off
THD @ 1Watt/4 Ohm: 0.1%
S/N Ratio: 90dB
Frequency Response: 15Hz - 150Hz (+/-3dB)
Damping Factor @ 20Hz/4 Ohms: 400
Low Pass Filter: 50Hz-150Hz, 24dB/Octave
Variable Subsonic Filter: 15Hz-40Hz, 24dB/Octave
Variable Bass Boost: 0 to 18dB
Variable Phase Control: 0 to 180
Input Sensitivity: 200mV ~ 8V
Input Impedance: 10k Ohm
Line Output Impedance: 100 Ohm
Fuse Rating: 30A x 6
Dimensions: 10.08'' (W) x 2.12'' (H) x 19.1'' (L)
i know it eh all dat but daz de only 0.5 ohm stable amp I findin |
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slacker_jack TriniTuner 24-7
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:11 pm Post subject: |
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^^^
yuh mean the only 2000watt 0.5ohm stable amp?
cuz i think rf hav 0.5 ohm sable amps. |
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MonsterPower Riding on 17's
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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most amps dont give u .5 ohm specs
as well as this amp gives specs in bridged mode which is 2 amps daisychained together |
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slacker_jack TriniTuner 24-7
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| ok, nah looks like i was mistaken, rf eh hav 0.5 ohm amps... |
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pioneer Chronic 2NR
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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so what's the use of burping an amp with a stock alty?
sundown and co. recommend using an upgraded alty...for the sake of your car... |
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DJ Q TriniTuner 24-7
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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| ^i believe that's the category |
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MonsterPower Riding on 17's
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:59 pm Post subject: |
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pioneer i think u really need to open ur mind..
db drag street class mandates that u compete with 1 battery 800si with engine off..
yes still pple doin over 155-160..WITH ONE BATTERY !!!!! no alt power .. why u think they doin that |
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pioneer Chronic 2NR
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| MonsterPower wrote: | pioneer i think u really need to open ur mind..
db drag street class mandates that u compete with 1 battery 800si with engine off..
yes still pple doin over 155-160..WITH ONE BATTERY !!!!! no alt power .. why u think they doin that |
My mind is open, i'm thinking about the safety of the equipment
Read the sundown tests, the voltage drop @ 0.5 ohm even with upgraded alty
Now imagine what would happen with a stock alty?  |
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MonsterPower Riding on 17's
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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alt dont make a diff once ur currant system is stable.. some ple burp at .5 ohm with a voltage drop of 1.5v at most
look at some of the tests on termpro.com |
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pioneer Chronic 2NR
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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*sigh*
wrt to amp in question
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IMO.. one 1500d should be limited to 1 ohm nominal use in factory electrical systems.. for the sake of the car.. not the amp
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http://www.soundsolutionsau...ca8c465831&showtopic=7116
1 amp, single 1000ca everstart maxx, factory alt
4 ohm nominal = 518 watts @ 88% efficiency (voltage fell from 14.3v, to 14.0v)
2 ohm nominal = 948 watts @ 85% efficiency (voltage fell from 14.3v, to 13.6v)
1 ohm nominal = 1510 watts @ 78% efficiency (voltage fell from 14.3v, to 12.4 volts
.5 ohm nominal = 1615 watts @ 72% efficiency (voltage fell from 14.3v, to 11.8v)
.35 ohm nominal = 1748 watts @ 67% efficiency (voltage fell from 14.3v, to 11.4v) |
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MonsterPower Riding on 17's
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:48 pm Post subject: |
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pioneer as much as u know ur reaidng .. u should go out sometimes
in the real world sometimes winnig a competition means winning by .1db yes .1 db
so if u competing an prepare all ur life and get beat by .1 db just cuz teh other team did it |
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