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The Diesel Boys Maintenance Thread *4x4/4x2*
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wagon r
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:53 am
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.....i here.....was busy whole weekend with my house warming. de l2 is giving some stress on mornings still......i think the pre-heaters are giving problems.

i have to go 'bago on thursday so i might drop her off tom. other than the hard starting in the morning, she running sweet.....crossed 310,000 last week.

i also recovered the gauge cover sunday and moved my gauges to the steering column.

saied, two things.....any chance i could get a copy of the shop manual and do you want the mud guards.... Question Question
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:11 pm
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what is the latest with alluh anti gas peeps ?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 4:56 pm
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Yeah on both Questions WagonR. Not a problem. I am always in agreement with helping a fellow Tuner especially my L200 and 4x4 diesel brothers.
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PLUS WagonR I STILL WANT TO SEE YOUR L2.....
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:58 pm
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time for a little update on the prado. Had to replace the fuel filter(dirtiest ive seen in my life) seeing as it hasent been done for a couple years and the vehicle could not start, upon investigating i found the filter had a pinhole sized hole and fuel was escaping. maybe that could be the explanation for the bad fuel economy. I also think a number of problems such as loss of power(SLOW from a stop) and heavy black smoke might be a result from the intake hose. The hose, right after the air filter is almost severed except for about 1cm thats still attached. can this cause serious problems or is it something that i can overlook?

On a side note i think the cause of the temp. gauge going high was of the excess fuel that was sprayed around as a result of the hole in the fuel filter. it gets reallhy hot! whould this at all affect the temp gauge or is it something else?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:49 am
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....thanks saied.....i think i have to replace my pre-ignition box....even though the light goes out on the dash, the van still hard starts in the morning. it starts easy in the afternoon but mornings are stress.

and when it does start in the morning, it keeps clicking away for about 30secs after the van starts....

has me fustrated but worried.... Neutral
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:49 am
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clicking while its starting? could that indicate your battery isnt putting out as much cranking amps as it should?

BTW, where would you get a jumper cable suitable for our vans? I found out the ones for normal car use wont work with the pickups. The wires are too thin and can overheat.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:26 pm
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wagon r wrote:
....thanks saied.....i think i have to replace my pre-ignition box....even though the light goes out on the dash, the van still hard starts in the morning. it starts easy in the afternoon but mornings are stress.

and when it does start in the morning, it keeps clicking away for about 30secs after the van starts....

has me fustrated but worried.... Neutral


Could it also mean the cold start sensor? I know when mine was gone bad the glow plugs took forever to warm up, or so I thought - they werent turning on and the engine revved higher-than-usual all the time.


BTW, did an engine wash, underwash, spray, grease and then I wash down and polish with the AutoGlym... ole gurl looks good Laughing Laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 2:03 pm
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323_wagon_dude wrote:
clicking while its starting? could that indicate your battery isnt putting out as much cranking amps as it should?

BTW, where would you get a jumper cable suitable for our vans? I found out the ones for normal car use wont work with the pickups. The wires are too thin and can overheat.


Looking for a set as well

I might check Laughlin & de Gannes... Thye usually have stuff like that.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:50 pm
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....battery is good. i have a voltmeter and new battery in the l2. van runs at a constant 13.9 - 14.1 volts and a/c, lights and fog lights.....doesn't dip past 13.5


....will have to check everything. thanks freak.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:53 pm
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....i forgot to ask......could it be a fuel problem...

patch now called me and as it turns out, he and i both took diesel at the new NP station on maraval road. he called to say that the engine check light is coming on every 2 min. and he currently on his way home.

he has to stop every so often to drain the filter to get it to come off only to have it come back on again minutes later.

i'm wondering if i suffered the same fate but my light didn't come orn.... Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:40 pm
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bleedingfreak Post some pictures of she nah boy. spread the joy to the brothers.

WagonR my bro i feel your pain. Sucks when yuh baby sick and she cant tel you what's causing it. Hope she feels better soon.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:22 pm
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Saied, camera in work - I am not Smile

This weekend... but it go be durdy again by weekend... or in the morning maybe... when i go in work.

wagon r, That wont have anything to do with the fuel, crappy as it may be. That problem is associated with glow plug / cold start sensor / thermostat. Somehow the signal is NOT coming to the system to warm up the diesel... Are you getting the symptoms described below?
White smoke smelling of unburnt diesel?
Excessive vibration? or more than usual vibration?
High revs - about 1000-1100 rpm thru the day at idle speed?
Horrible fuel economy?

Your problem IS temperature related...


Greypatch, your problem seems to be MORE than that fuel filter issue. What are you getting when you bleed the filter? water? Diesel? and how often is the light coming on Question Are there any sensors that you have probably didn't reconnect Question


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:31 pm
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KiD wrote:
Had to replace the fuel filter(dirtiest ive seen in my life)

the intake hose. The hose, right after the air filter is almost severed except for about 1cm thats still attached. can this cause serious problems or is it something that i can overlook?

On a side note i think the cause of the temp. gauge going high was of the excess fuel that was sprayed around as a result of the hole in the fuel filter. it gets reallhy hot! whould this at all affect the temp gauge or is it something else?


Good that you finally getting around to some maintenance... Very Happy

wrt the intake - repair immediately. You would be sucking in dirty air cause it's after the filter - the filter isn't doing it's job. Also, you are sucking in HOT air... bad bad cause your air temp sensor will be reading cooler air most likely, sending off you A/F ratio...

wrt the temperature - I could probably say yes. If you are NOT experiencing the problem anymore, then definitely.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 7:22 am
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thanks for the advice there freak. patchie should be in here later, he said he'll drive the "rotten pumpkin" to work and may call massy for a fix.

economy is normal, no excessive vibration (is ah ole van i driving... Laughing ), tach doesn't show any high idle but the smoke on start up (when it finally starts on mornings) appears white-ish, even in the dark of early morning.

i will look into all three over the weekend. thanks again freak.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 8:21 am
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wagon r wrote:


patch now called me and as it turns out, he and i both took diesel at the new NP station on maraval road. he called to say that the engine check light is coming on every 2 min. and he currently on his way home.

he has to stop every so often to drain the filter to get it to come off only to have it come back on again minutes later.

i'm wondering if i suffered the same fate but my light didn't come orn.... Confused


The station at the corner of maraval and tragarete road? I put diesel from there too... Damn... I need to find a new place to get diesel.


As for the jumper cables... The normal ones for cars may work but they tend to get hot and some of them just wont work. I had to jump start the hilux two days ago and with the cable we had, real good quality, it still wasnt getting juice. Had to swap batteries to get it to start.


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thanks for the advice there freak. patchie should be in here later, he said he'll drive the "rotten pumpkin" to work and may call massy for a fix.
I know massy had sold some frontiers with extremely dirty fuel filters. Might be possible you got one...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:10 am
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^^^ BE careful about the battery you use to start them diesels... it NEED to have juice cause the glow plugs does real suck amps... Shocked

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:26 pm
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fuel and water comming out hoss...

ah gonna drain the tank tomorrow clean out that sheit...
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fuel and water comming out hoss...

ah gonna drain the tank tomorrow clean out that sheit...


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That is screwed up. I thought that station was NEW Question

Good luck with the tank drain. I know that is some pressure too... Rolling Eyes

The frontiers come a drain plug too right Question
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 10:39 pm
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did the L200's also come with a drain plug?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:11 am
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Thanks Guys,I got the problem sorted out.The fuel pump was out of time,the mechanic re-calibrated the timing and the smoking has gone.
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