Some Sportero Problems ah havin

lexx · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:45 pm Post subject: Some Sportero Problems ah havin

Tuners i'm new in here so please help me out a bit.

I have a 2.5 manual sportero that i buy from Dimond.M. Since i buy the van i hearin a rattlin noise commin for the gairbox when i release the clutch. Dimond always service the van and i complain a million times to different people and all them tellin me is that's how it normally works, to me is sounds like the clutch release bearing bad, but i could be wrong. Is anyone of you also getting the same noise?

A next thing, is that when i open the bonnet i see the air intake hose by the throttle body lookin oily and nasty, when i ask dimond to check it they tell me that the hose was slack and when i ask they so where the oil come if the turbo leakin oil, they tell me that all diesel vans normally have some oil passing through the turbo.

Lastly i drivin from town last night and the engine check light come on and the van start to drive like it have no power. I suspected that its the diesel filter so i changed it this morning, the old filter was in a bad way as usual but the check light still on, i going to carry it dimond bright and early, but apart from what they going to tell me i would still like to hear for you guys what might have caused that.

damieG82 · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject:

Diamond famous for ignoring problems til things go horribly wrong, or if you start to carry on like a ole negro.

Can't comment about the noise as I'm unfamiliar about the workings of that gearbox... turbos usually are lubricated either thru the engine's oil system or thru a dedicated system. Be that as it may, oil certainly should not be appearing on any intake hoses, so that means there is a leak in the turbo itself... and that ties into your next problem. If the turbo was loosing oil, then it might have seized or otherwise failed, hence the loss in power and check engine light.

Definitely take it to Diamond and have them check it out. I hope it's still under warranty so it'll be a free repair, otherwise pressure!!

Mr. Go Slow · Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:47 pm Post subject:

Greypatch · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:56 am Post subject:

sheit south or north man ?

bleedingfreak · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:18 am Post subject:

Some light film of oil on the intake hoses would be normal. I have had this occur on the mazda, however the mazda is an ole gurl! (200K+ km). We had checked everything but nothing is wrong with it.

When driven really hard you will get this film of oil on the hoses sometimes.

But like I said, after 200,000km, you should expect a couple things like that.

What is the age of your pickup? What mileage?
What is your driving style and distances?

Best of luck

damieG82 · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 9:35 am Post subject:

lexx · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:59 pm Post subject:

damieG82

Thanks a lot for that info, I carried the van by DM today and they say the check light come on because a vacuum hose fly out. So they fixed that and reprogrammed the ECU. The van working real nice.

But the turbo spoolin real good, i really don't understand where that oil commin from tho. The way i see it is that if the turbo leaking oil the hose from the turbo should be oily too, but it lookin normal.

I also met a guy in DM today and his van have that same noise comin from the gearbox, so i really don't know what to say.

bleedingfreak

the van a year and a half, doing 46 XXX ,is still under warranty, and i normally take my time drive between 80-140 (when the highway clear) during the day, and u know some times i run it hard when the road clear in the night, 160-190

damieG82 · Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject:

** crisis averted! **

Glad to know everything good to go now! Happy 4 wheelin'

Toyopet · Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:58 pm Post subject:

The noise you hearing in the gearbox is either the pilot bushing or the release bearing. The part costs around $80.00 in DM.Not bad,but they'll say nothing wrong cz the van still under warranty and they'll have to fix it. Nothing will go wrong but it'll be annoying. My advise would be 2 w8 till the van not under warranty and go fix it yourself. As for the oil on the intake line,that would be from the engine's backpressure. All turbo deisels backpressure,thats how the turbo gets lubrication. If it not getting oil,that may be why the light came on, as damieG82 said. Hope this was helpful a lil.

venum · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:43 am Post subject:

sweeks · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:16 am Post subject:

biggy82 · Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:17 am Post subject:

sweeks, i was wondering that myself....where Shane?

Toyopet · Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject:

The part about the oil lubricating the turbo was what a mechanic told me its not proven,but all turbo vehicles do backpressure,due to the extra resistance in the exhaust.

323_wagon_dude · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:05 am Post subject:

if thats the case, why would you have oil lines going to the turbo?

Stuckindmud · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:15 pm Post subject:

Yo gang ,

Toyopet sound right abt the backpressure caused by the turbo restriction on the exhaust.
As for the oil - there is a supply and a return lineat the turbo unit. The supply comes off the block where the oil pump pushes oil through that line. The return line is just a drain back to the sump.

As for the oil in the intake hose - sounds like some of the oil getting past the seals in the turbo (compressor side). I heard that a little is normal .
Can someone else confirm- Venum? Freak ? Rolling Eyes

Toyopet · Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject:

Oil from packpressuring does get into the turbo most of the times. Take a look at where the backpressure lines run into from the tappet cover.Straight into the intake line.

I think thats one of the reasons a turbo timer is important,to burn off this oil. I guess this is probably bad oil,like bad cholestorol lol. Very Happy

And yes,turbos do have their own oil lines so i guess my mech was probably talkin about something else.

venum · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 8:16 am Post subject:

lexx · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject:

Click for full-size.

This is what it looks like, the van doing 47XXX, but i noticed this when the van was doing around 10-15k and it just got oilier ever since. Confused

venum · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject:

take down intercooler an drain - see how much oil is in there

if a lot, then there is a defect on your turbo

if minimal - then you can prob attribute it to normal wear

although, at 4X,000km that shouldn't be

do you drive hard and not cool down the turbo Question

Stuckindmud · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:29 pm Post subject:

I dont think the turbo-timer runs the engine to burn off the oil in the intake.

My understanding is that when you run the engine hard - the turbo is spooling 40 - 50 000 rpms and so the shaft is vey hot.

If you shut off right after running hard - then the oil that lubricates the shaft of the turbo won`t be circulated, causing the oil thats in contact with or within close proximity to the shaft to burn or flash. Using the turbo timer allows the oil to be circulated while the shaft cools down so it doesn flash the oil in the lines.

That looks like the fumes around the backpressure vent - like you were saying.

Try cleaning the oil off - use some WD40 to get all the oil off and monitor regularly to see where the leak is coming from. Have you done an engine wash since getting the van? Could it be residual oil from when the van was in storage at the firm`s bond?

I fyou do what venum says - to take the intercooler hose off, will you void warranty? .. or will they know ... Twisted Evil

lexx · Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject:

I have my turbo timer set for 2 min all the time. Confused

I will take down the intercooler and check it, but i find it strange that if the turbo is leaking the oil, then why is the hoes that is by the throttle body the only one that is oily. All the others that run from the turbo to the intercooler look normal. I am starting to think that the backpressure may be the cause.

I spoke to a mechanic that told me that the 10w-40 mobil devac oil i was using was to thin and may be contributing to this as well, so i changed to RP 20W-50. I have to say the engine got real quiet compered to when it was with mobil 1. Shocked

bleedingfreak · Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 11:40 am Post subject:

Hmm.. But are you losing oil?

Like I said: same problem on a Mazda B2500, but that is 9 years old doing 200K+ km...

lexx · Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject:

I don't really check the oil regularly, i mean sometimes i might pop the hood a look around to make shore everything looking normal, and when i check the oil it always looks normal. you know when u buy a new vehicle and u service it by the company u expect that everything should be in order under that hood.

biggy82 · Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject:

never assume that nah.....

bleedingfreak · Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject:

lexx · Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject:

What i need to learn is how to get on like a mad animal when i go D.M. Dealing with them like a normal human don't work. Twisted Evil

sweeks · Posted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject:

Good analysis/info guys.

tiger12 · Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Tech posts: 0 My 2NRide:

dear tuners.
i am new to this blog.
i have a sportero 3.2 1year old.
i observ when you in drive with the brake compressed
and you turn the steering all the way to the left or right
you hear a funny kind of noise.
not loud but kind of rubbin sound.
could any of you help me out here.
when vehicle driving no problem.
also when vehicle park for a 10 mins or so an you start and drive
off you hear a lil humm sound and then it clears up.
this happenin long time
the other prob now start.

venum · Posted: Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:08 am Post subject:

You need to provide a lil more details

tiger12 · Joined: 17 Nov 2009 Tech posts: 0 My 2NRide:

ok ,
the humm i hear only happen when the vehicle switck off for a lil while.
it dos only happen as the vehicle move off after that nothing til you park up again.
is just a kind of humm and thats it,
about two days ago a notice the other prob.
ok you start vehicle,put it in drive and if you lock the steering eighter way
when it reach almost
all out you hear a slight rubbing slight grate sound.
when you driving you dont hear it.
only when you on the brakes in drive