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 Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:52 am
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Just a little something something to ponder upon.
The flying squad was controlled by randolph borroughs right?
Isn't there a squad in T&T that reports to brigadier peter joseph, who happens to report to the minister of national security who happens to report to the prime minister?
I wonder who that could be? Came across this article.
| Quote: | Call to reinstate Flying Squad
By Shaliza Hassanali
Bring back the Flying Squad. That’s the call from several quarters —from the man in the street to former senior police officers and crime management experts.
The reintroduction of what had been considered an elite crime-fighting team, headed by the former late Commissioner of Police Randolph Burroughs during the ’70s, is what the people want, in the face of escalating heinous crimes in the country.
Eight-year-old Hope Arismandez met a gruesome death last month as she was raped and her throat slit by her stepfather.
The murder of Regiment Cpl Ancil Wallace and his friend Noel Charles by gunmen on June 15, and the execution of prisons officer Arnim Joseph on Thursday took the killings to another level—that of members of the Protective Services being targeted.
Gang warfare, too, has been exploding with young, innocent lives—like five-month-old Zion Jones—being snuffed out on June 7.
And although there are several people, including CoP-elect Stephen Williams and former attorney general Ramesh Lawrence Maharaj, who are against the reintroduction of a Burroughs-type squad to fight crime, scores of other people would like to see it implemented.
Even Williams’ 85-year-old father, Augustine “Morris” Williams, welcomed the idea of the squad.
“Bring back the Flying Squad, man! I feel this would help with the crime situation.”
A more aggressive approach
Williams Sr said although several people did not like how Burroughs executed his duties, at the end of the day he got the job done.
“With the help of his team, he brought the criminals and murderers in when they staged their regular roadblocks and surprise raids.
“This is what the country wants to see again.”
Williams Sr said the police needed to make surprise raids and lock down crime-ridden communities to get the illegal guns out of the wrong hands.
Former Flying Squad member Cecil Carrington insisted that the squad was not about killing, but confronting situations that the regular police officers could not have handled.
Carrington, who retired in 2002 as Asst Commissioner of Police (crime), said the Government had to come up with a more aggressive crime-fighting approach.
“I think those at the top should put their pride aside and bring back a modernised Flying Squad.
“The police need to be more pro-active. It’s about time we declare war on the criminals, because they are taking over our country.”
Carrington, who gave 40 years of dedicated service to the police force, said to make the Flying Squad the best crime-fighting team, dedicated and hard-working police officers were needed.
Carrington was one of 40 officers who served in the Flying Squad before it was disbanded.
General manager of Crime Stoppers Keith Subero said yesterday he had no problems with the re-establishment of a squad to penetrate the criminal elements.
However, he stated that the squad must be able to work within the law and not be judge, jury and executioner.
“We don’t want a return of the last situation where officers of Burroughs’ Flying Squad used measures outside of the law to attack crime.”
Several persons on the street who were asked about the reintroduction of the squad were in support.
Many of them, however, were fearful of giving their names or of having their photographs taken, but they all agreed to revive the Flying Squad.
Why it wouldn’t work
On the re-introduction of a Flying Squad, Maharaj said:
“I don’t think it would make a serious dent on crime. One has to remember that the strength of the Flying Squad depended on the intelligence from the criminals, who worked on the ground level.”
Back then, however, Maharaj said, Burroughs’ crime-fighting strategy was different.
“Now it’s a different story. We are dealing with professional criminals who are running a commercial enterprise. They are always one step ahead of the police, because of technology.”
Maharaj said despite the eye-in-the- sky and the Blimp, the criminals still had a way of eluding the police. |
| Quote: | Is SAUTT an illegal unit?
Public statements have been made recently as to the nature and legality of the Special Anti-Crime Unit of Trinidad and Tobago (SAUTT), but the authorities have remained strangely silent on the issue.
A friend of mine posited that everyone is so fed up with the crime situation that if they feel that there is the possibility that this unit could do something about it they don’t care about semantics.
No checks
This is, perhaps, an understandable stance, but it is a dangerous one. There should be no quarter given to public officials to breach the law with the excuse that it is for the good of the country, since this attitude can lead to anything.
As regards the SAUTT, it can be argued that the existence of a unit of the armed forces that reports directly to a politician must be a source of disquiet and likely to be fraught with problems. Why? Simply because there are really no checks and balances, no mechanisms in place to ensure that the SAUTT does not become a “political tool” of the government of the day.
Let is consider the creation of the SAUTT. In his 2004 budget presentation, the Prime Minister announced formation of the SAUTT and subsequently appointed Brig Joseph, who is not a member of the Police Service, as head of this unit.
The SAUTT consists of members of the Police Service, the Defence Force (Regiment and Coast Guard) and civilian members.
The police officers that belong to the SAUTT are members of the Police Special Anti-Crime Unit (PSACU) that was established by departmental order issued by the Commissioner of Police.
Thereafter by another departmental order, police officers were transferred from their respective divisions/branches to the PSACU. These police officers were then assigned to the SAUTT.
The Police Service Regulations allow the Commissioner of Police to create units, with the approval of the minister within the Police Service:
Regulation 11 provides that the Commissioner of Police may assign such numbers of police officers to such administrative or operational units as may be necessary for the efficient functioning of such units.
PSACU then was validly created.
However, the SAUTT is not a unit in the Police Service, since it is made up of members of the Defence Force and the police, and as such was not established as a special unit through a departmental order or otherwise.
A special unit within the Police Service may only comprise police officers.
Neither the Police Service Act (the Act) nor its Regulations make provision for the creation of units that comprise a combination of police officers and persons who are not.
The underpinning of the Police Regulations and the act make it clear that all police officers are answerable to the Commissioner of Police.
The act creates a chain of command with the Commissioner of Police as the ultimate link in that chain. The ultimate head of any unit within the police service is therefore the Commissioner, who creates that unit.
The ultimate head of the SAUTT is Brig Joseph.
The Defence Act provides for the creation of units by the President within the Defence Force. It is, however, also silent as to the creation of a unit which consists of members of the Regiment and Coast Guard, respectively, and non-members.
The power to create the SAUTT does not exist in any of the acts which govern the bodies from whom the members of the unit are drawn.
There is no legal authority for the creation of a single unit that comprises members of the Police Service, Defence Force and civilians.
While there is nothing to prevent separate units of each agency working together (as in a task force), there must be statutory authority for the creation of a single unit headed by a commander from whom the members of the unit take direction.
In relation to the Police Service, the SAUTT is not responsible to the Commissioner of Police, but rather to Brig Joseph, who is not a police officer.
While the PSACU is accountable to the Commissioner of Police as a valid operational unit, this does not alter the fact that the SAUTT, which comprises in part police officers, is not answerable to the Commissioner, because it is not a Police Service unit.
Ensuing Problems
Since the SAUTT is not accountable to any law enforcement organisation, as it fails to report to either the heads of the Police Service or the Defence Force, it may in some ways be considered a law unto itself.
As such, it is open to be utilised as a “political tool” of the Government of the day which spawned its creation. There are no safeguards in place to ensure that this does not happen.
Whether this, in fact, is being done is another matter altogether.
Other problems may arise. It is possible to argue that police officers assigned to SAUTT who take orders from, or report to the brigadier in the course of carrying out their duties as police officers, may be considered to be breaching the law, as are any senior officers within the Police Service who permit this.
Further, since there is no law authorising creation of the SAUTT, there are no published policy guidelines in respect of the recruitment and/or appointment of its members. This also is subject to abuse.
The authorities cannot simply just bury their heads in the sand and refuse to consider or contemplate these issues.
It is possible that they are concerned about evidence gathered so far by members of the unit, but such a fear is groundless, as issues of the legality of the unit ought not to affect the admissibility of such evidence.
The fact remains, however, that it is necessary to ground SAUTT in law. |
One more things too to look at
http://www.ttgapers.com/Article31.html |
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:30 pm
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| so who running things now... |
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:32 pm
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joker is
joker knew bout this before it happened
he called kojo out  |
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pablo_tt
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:47 pm
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| TriniStore.biz wrote: | | so who running things now... |
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:11 pm
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| RoTaRyBoYz wrote: | | VII wrote: | | I ain defending nobody,but what I could tell you is that he had those guys under control and was flipping the script,you guys might be celebrating but this "head" had a firm grip on alot ghetto youths and kept them in some order,in all the bloodshed taking place over the last few years,how much murders you heard about in his area? the man had his past and did his thing but his death would not make Trinidad a better place,your chances of getting robbed or kidnapped or shot has just increased,simply because the $500.00 or so he might have been putting in some of them boys hands regularly has just evaporated and they would be coming out of thier holes to look for it now,because none of us here ain givin dem nutten,so all you know it alls who glad d man get lik down. .think twice,we're worst off. . |
You are 100% correct...
I was born and raised in the croisee and my dad and uncle was good friends with Coujo and the guys fron Lavantie Rd from since the early 80's... Coujo wasn't the kind of person to harras innocent people, he got his money from his hussle.. He had all those fellas under control and gave alot to the community he came from... Now don't get me wrong, im not saying that he dont deserve what he got but the fact of the matter is that San Juan will be worst off now... He knew what he was involved in was wrong and we all know the saying "live be the sword, die by the sword" so for that part of him im happy he's gone... He had a nice football side going and up till this day my uncle is the only indian that still plays on his under 35 team...
There's another flying squad in Trinidad, but I hope they take out all the criminals and not just a selected few....unlike Borrows and his boys
I was born and rasied in San Juan market but the 80's was when drugs, murders and money was big in San Juan... What about the "Uzi man" from over the highway about 10yrs ago?? That man had a Uzi and used to rob bandits when they come to buy drugs... He used to help the people in the area with his daily hussle... Even though he was doing good to a certain extent, he still had to be punished because of his actions.... Any person breaking the law whether it be for good or bad intentions should be warned and if they continue then they sould be dealth with...
If I give alyuh some stories about the days of Teddy mice, Naya, Toks & bulls and a bunch of other criminals alyuh would be shock to know the level of organise crime we had in Trinidad... One time a fella walked in a bar by evening trace and say he name "sixes" and he collected 6 piece of lead seconds after announcing his name  |
BANDIT is BANDIT regardless of who the f@ck try to glorify him.
One less bandit on the street, justice was done even if justice was not intended |
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:32 pm
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Cudjoe wasn't your regular bandit.
From various parts of San Juan all up to La Canoa in Santa Cruz have flambeau...I dunno how much further up in Santa Cruz people are "mourning". |
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:35 pm
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| some rel gansta on 2nr.... |
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:46 pm
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i still stand firm when i say "they made a mistake by hanging dole" then when thackoor was murdered nex setta problems start , now phillip inside .... who is next.... darryl from perseverance ?
murders don't happen just so , I fully support revenge killings.... if you do your part in a deal , don't try to outsmart anyone , all will end well. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:04 pm
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Dole was never no nice fella, he got to where he was by killing his way thru men that started off in the business.... Ever herd of a fella name Rama 'd Jammer from Icacas pt? Ever herd of the time when " Trinidad is raining weed"? Dole was still a lil small hussler when all this happen but greed got him to where he was before he die..
I start you off and after you learn the ropes, yuh come and murder me when we taking ah drive down by Caroni cremation site... What about the Kings? Alwin and Dereck? those guys were crazy
If you fellas do a study on the criminal history of Trinidad, you would be very supprise the kind of organise crime we had back in the day |
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:13 pm
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Dole was never no nice fella, he got to where he was by killing his way thru men that started off in the business
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if you do your part in a deal , don't try to outsmart anyone , all will end well.
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:49 pm
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cudjoe helped out the community. this type of "gangster" (as he is seen by some) is a dieing breed.
joker,i agree with your statement about dole.
lets just wait till after the funeral of cudjoe (i think its friday?) and see what happens after. doesnt seem to be shaping up nice. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:06 pm
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| dmitc wrote: | | RoTaRyBoYz wrote: | | VII wrote: | | I ain defending nobody,but what I could tell you is that he had those guys under control and was flipping the script,you guys might be celebrating but this "head" had a firm grip on alot ghetto youths and kept them in some order,in all the bloodshed taking place over the last few years,how much murders you heard about in his area? the man had his past and did his thing but his death would not make Trinidad a better place,your chances of getting robbed or kidnapped or shot has just increased,simply because the $500.00 or so he might have been putting in some of them boys hands regularly has just evaporated and they would be coming out of thier holes to look for it now,because none of us here ain givin dem nutten,so all you know it alls who glad d man get lik down. .think twice,we're worst off. . |
You are 100% correct...
I was born and raised in the croisee and my dad and uncle was good friends with Coujo and the guys fron Lavantie Rd from since the early 80's... Coujo wasn't the kind of person to harras innocent people, he got his money from his hussle.. He had all those fellas under control and gave alot to the community he came from... Now don't get me wrong, im not saying that he dont deserve what he got but the fact of the matter is that San Juan will be worst off now... He knew what he was involved in was wrong and we all know the saying "live be the sword, die by the sword" so for that part of him im happy he's gone... He had a nice football side going and up till this day my uncle is the only indian that still plays on his under 35 team...
There's another flying squad in Trinidad, but I hope they take out all the criminals and not just a selected few....unlike Borrows and his boys
I was born and rasied in San Juan market but the 80's was when drugs, murders and money was big in San Juan... What about the "Uzi man" from over the highway about 10yrs ago?? That man had a Uzi and used to rob bandits when they come to buy drugs... He used to help the people in the area with his daily hussle... Even though he was doing good to a certain extent, he still had to be punished because of his actions.... Any person breaking the law whether it be for good or bad intentions should be warned and if they continue then they sould be dealth with...
If I give alyuh some stories about the days of Teddy mice, Naya, Toks & bulls and a bunch of other criminals alyuh would be shock to know the level of organise crime we had in Trinidad... One time a fella walked in a bar by evening trace and say he name "sixes" and he collected 6 piece of lead seconds after announcing his name |
BANDIT is BANDIT regardless of who the f@ck try to glorify him.
One less bandit on the street, justice was done even if justice was not intended |
nobody trying to glorify him,just stating facts,the facts are,the man was a good father,doesn't that mean anything?,he had a son studying law,he wasn't a bully,he helped ppl who got in trouble with gangsters,he kept alot of youths from robbing and kidnapping ppl like us,from a human standpoint you are no better than him or any gangster,you've just endorsed and totally supported a very violent and callus act that has left many children fatherless and a woman without a husband,you're no better than cujo in the eyes of god. .
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:10 pm
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lets just wait till after the funeral of cudjoe (i think its friday?)
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he is getting a gun salute . |
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:11 pm
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no gang leader ever helps out to any community.
destroying an area with drugs and crime, then giving some peace money to a few here and there does not qualify has helping out. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:12 pm
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From who Joker?
Seriously, I don't want to be around when everyone starts to grab at turfs. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:17 pm
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teems1,ok
Conrad,funeral looks like its gonna be huge. these days the area quiet at night yes. long time i aint see the road so clear in the night. |
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:19 pm
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from his brethren .... according to the police presence @the funeral
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:20 pm
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joker,you does be up on this side?  |
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Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:24 pm
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| teems1 wrote: | no gang leader ever helps out to any community.
destroying an area with drugs and crime, then giving some peace money to a few here and there does not qualify has helping out. |
you are correct. .but its not a perfect world,most of you guys here have no experience with the little ppl and depressed areas,I'm simply saying,for what he was,he was still a fair man,he never taxed ppl like other bullies with his power,he was still a good father,he was still a good friend to many,he was still a human bieng,he wanted to be normal like us. .just go to trinidadexpress.com and read some of the comments on the article on his death. . |
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