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bargin boi 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:08 am Post subject: Power Acoustik Amps |
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| Why do they overate their amps wen or if they know its tru?... |
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(...Rovin...) 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:22 am Post subject: |
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so they cud fool d newbs or ppl who dont know better so that they cud get sale$
plenty other companies do it too ... |
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bargin boi 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| hmmm..gud point Rovin...now ah no 2 buy CEA compliant amps only..u get actual power ratings at dat ohm...thx !!! |
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slacker_jack Shifting into 6th
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| its all in the marketing. |
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kurpal_v2 TriniTuner WHOoRE
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:43 pm Post subject: Re: Power Acoustik Amps |
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| bargin boi wrote: | | Why do they overate their amps wen or if they know its tru?... |
IMO the amps not overrated. They just don't produce useable power. |
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Ginxdor 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Power Acoustik Amps |
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| kurpal_v2 wrote: | | IMO the amps not overrated. They just don't produce useable power. |
Explain please. |
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kurpal_v2 TriniTuner WHOoRE
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:58 pm Post subject: |
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how are they rated?
At what freq and what voltage? We dont know this readily, a PA mono might just well produce rated at 21khz @ 19volts for all we know but thats unusable power or more so unrealistic to produce..The amp produces the power but its unusable..
I dont think such large companies like PA etc would risk a lawsuit like this for fraud against consumers..And in anycase, you get what you pay for-FACT. |
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Ginxdor 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| OK, I hear you but, I think it has been established that PA usually makes crap and somehow managed to produce the A3000db. |
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slacker_jack Shifting into 6th
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Posted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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arent the amps rated at 1khz? they will put out far less power at the lower frequencies.
when they say x amount of watts they mean it will be put out at x amount of hz @ x amount of volts.
compare the rating of a pa amp to that of a jbl, the jbl is rated at 12.5 volts & at the full range of frequencies. |
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bargin boi 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:07 am Post subject: Re: Power Acoustik Amps |
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| kurpal_v2 wrote: | | bargin boi wrote: | | Why do they overate their amps wen or if they know its tru?... |
IMO the amps not overrated. They just don't produce useable power. |
if u do a test on d amp 2 see how much watts d amp is actually givin out, wudnt dat determined if d amp is underated or overated?...dat cud be a solution..  |
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kurpal_v2 TriniTuner WHOoRE
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 10:00 am Post subject: |
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Have you done such tests? If so why not share your results?
Have you read my previous reply? |
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:05 am Post subject: |
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The PA company rate their amps on a full moon friday at exactly 1pm @ 18.672 volts with a sine wave at 1khz !
If you could recreate that then you'll have ur 3000 watts  |
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:10 am Post subject: |
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allyuh carry d PA amps by 3stagevtec & let him bench test it ... |
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bargin boi 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:25 am Post subject: |
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KURPAL V2, i jus asked a question 2 see if its tru..never done any tests on PA amps...jus askin u guys  |
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bargin boi 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| madman.devin wrote: | The PA company rate their amps on a full moon friday at exactly 1pm @ 18.672 volts with a sine wave at 1khz !
If you could recreate that then you'll have ur 3000 watts  |
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:50 am Post subject: |
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So why bash PA only? Other manufacturers do the same thing as well. PA is a economical brand. As was said before, you get what you pay for...
I have used this brand and although you don't get the rated rms, it alright for a small system and good for the price IMO.
By the way, I got my PA 1600/4 BAMF for $780 brand new (the model that looks like an RF).  |
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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^^^^..yea i no d BAMF series, d external appearence resembles a RF alot, i must say. But i doh understand y dem amps wanna luk like RF?...  |
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slacker_jack Shifting into 6th
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| bargin boi wrote: | ^^^^..yea i no d BAMF series, d external appearence resembles a RF alot, i must say. But i doh understand y dem amps wanna luk like RF?...  |
what wrong with RF amps?
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bargin boi 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| ^^^^read over my question again..Read from "BUT" to "RF".and tell me wat i asked in my post |
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slacker_jack Shifting into 6th
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| bargin boi wrote: | | ^^^^read over my question again..Read from "BUT" to "RF".and tell me wat i asked in my post |
I reading....
| me wrote: | | bargin boi wrote: | But i doh understand y dem amps wanna luk like RF?...  |
what wrong with RF amps? |
& again Im asking: what seems to be the problem? is something wrong with rockford amps? |
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bargin boi 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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ok slacker_jack, this is wat i meant.
1.KONGOREALM SAID THAT D BAMP SERIES AMP FROM POWER ACOUSTIK, LUKS SIMILAR TO RF AMPS WHICH IS TRU.
2. I COMMENTED AFTER HE REPLIED BY SAYIN, " D POWER ACOUTIK BAMF SERIES AMPS DO LUK LIKE D RF AMPS"....THEN, I ASKED WHY , POWER ACOUTIK BAMP AMPS, HAS A SIMILAR EXTERNAL APPEARENCE, TO THAT OF D RF AMPS
SO I HAV NO PROBLEM WIT RF AMPS. ITS MY QUESTION, IE ( WHY PA BAMP SERIES AMPS, LUKS SIMILAR TO THE RF AMPS) WHICH NEEDS TO BE ANSWERED
PLEAZE TELL MEH UR UNDERSTAND, SLACKER_JACK... |
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe because RF has a great amps, PA replicated the exterior to attract costumers to purchase the amp. But you must admit, the PA amp in question does look cool. |
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slacker_jack Shifting into 6th
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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| bargin boi wrote: | But i doh understand y dem amps wanna luk like RF?...  |
| bargin boi wrote: | I ASKED WHY , POWER ACOUTIK BAMP AMPS, HAS A SIMILAR EXTERNAL APPEARENCE, TO THAT OF D RF AMPS
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now thats different.
but to answer your question:
why will a cedia owner want his car to look like an evo?
or a tsi owner want his car to look like a wrx?
same principle.  |
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Kongorealm Street 2NR
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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^^
that's another way to put it...PA are not like RF amps in terms of power so PA made the amp to look like the RF for advertising purposes. |
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Kongorealm Street 2NR
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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On the other hand...Has anyone ever tested the output power of any PA amp?
This would be good information to share. |
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bargin boi 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Kongorealm wrote: | | Maybe because RF has a great amps, PA replicated the exterior to attract costumers to purchase the amp. |
PA jus wanna manufacture dey first ever a CEA complaint amp which has actuall power ratings...nuh me n dem PA amps...ah go stick 2 meh hifonics brutus and mtx X thunder amps |
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| someone should bring one of these pa3000d to the amp clamping lime. |
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bargin boi 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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[/quote]
but to answer your question:
why will a cedia owner want his car to look like an evo?
or a tsi owner want his car to look like a wrx?
same principle. [/quote]
piont taken crystal clear like RF T1500bd...thx!! |
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:10 am Post subject: |
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Its very obvious that PA have been overrating most of their amplifiers, but who doesnt? Alot of the other "top" brands when compared to a PA amp usually carry around the same fuses but arent rated as powerful as the PA amp. But dont be fooled, most companies overrate their products. IF u calculate the power input to most amplifiers and look at their respective rated power outputs u wud wonder if those amps never give off one bit of heat. However at the end of the day PA, in particular, seems of overrate most of their amps quite more than anybody else. Im sure most of u have experienced using at least one PA amp and i wud tell u, put aside all the stupid talk about them not being powerful etc., they can power a really nice small system if u use them rite and wud sound really good if ur setup is done right.  |
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: Power Acoustik Amps |
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| kurpal_v2 wrote: | | bargin boi wrote: | | Why do they overate their amps wen or if they know its tru?... |
IMO the amps not overrated. They just don't produce useable power. |
Aye.. My 2600 Does Produce RELL Useable Power Eh..  |
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