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Ignorant Ignis
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 Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:41 pm
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| for a nice increase in acceleration try a e-throttle controller .... i have heard pretty good reviews of them on the SSS |
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Swifted
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:19 pm
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^^^you can get it for a decent price by Juruwan, and there are a few Power Sellers here that offer it too. I know that the Ignis & Swift Sport has an 11:1 CR, but their ECU's pull back timing when it detects knock, so most of you out there are not truely getting the best performance out of your cars with our 'claimed' 95RON fuel. If you were to fill your tanks up after adding the NOS octane Booster, drive around for a few miles to mix them good, AND reset your ECU (lift the battery negative terminal for 5 mins.) I guarantee you that you will see a marked improvement in the performance!
My Justification:
on my very 'dated' GTi, where the ECU cannot pull back timing, I have to set my Ignition refernce, and the IGN. map is then based on this refernce. without any octane booster, I cannot advance any more than 2 degrees BTDC or there will be knock. when I run the correct mix ratio of the NOS (0.8oz/Gallon of Premium Petrol) I can advance my Ignition to 5 degrees BTDC before I get knock. If i use 1.6oz/Gallon Premium Petrol), I can advance my timing to 9 degrees BTDC before knock.
this tells me that the added Octane Booster IS in fact negating the pre-ignition associated with lower octane fuel.
The benefits? More Ign. advance means that the combustion cycle is more efficient because combustion is started earlier, better economy BECAUSE more energy is gained from the earlier Ignition, and your exhaust valves don't run as hot(I have witnessed this effect on my Coolant temps. lower when the IGN. is more advanced, inverse when retarded). |
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jm3
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:20 pm
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| ty for info swifted ill try and get some. |
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rado
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:22 pm
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| Ignorant Ignis wrote: | | jm3 wrote: | u know if the wiring is already in place for the esp switch? if so ill rig it in myself lol,
although the esp proved itself if it was the esp and not me that brought the car back in-line after some sideways action round the savannah. its the tcs i wanna switch off. Purely for scientific purposes
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you hear quite a "thud" sounds from the box and the light blinks when it kicks in ......... it comes in with a slight touch of the brakes during loss of traction .......
i think ryan peru perfected using it with left foot braking at dex |
I've heard this argument and as an SSS owner I must challenge it.
ESP on the swift requires two (2) additional sensors, one to sense steering input and the other is a type of accelerometer. So if you cannot find those sensors then you car does not have ESP. Also I think there is a special circuit for it (I read on another SSS forum) so if you have no fuse in your fuse box for it then guess what.....
Secondly ESP does not require tapping the brakes to activate. ESP is a highly advanced safety feature and, once its on, it will activate automatically! It activates when the control unit detects that the driver is attempting to turn, but the car isnt! It applys breaking force, and reduces throttle.... automatically. That is the reason why there is ALWAYS and on / off switch.
......This is also the reason you can only have true ESP on cars with e-throttle.
What tricks lots of folks is the fact that the SSS has EBD, electronic break force distribution. This is an advancement to ABS which allows selective brake force to be applied to the wheels that still have grip.
This is what Ryan was making use of at SOLODEX
On the SSS the thud sound happens whenever the ABS motor is activated.
Now if only someone could help me out with those rumours of special edition, from the factory 1.8 liter SSS  |
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Ignorant Ignis
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My 2NRide: Suzuki Ignis Sport
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:09 pm
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| rado wrote: | | Ignorant Ignis wrote: | | jm3 wrote: | u know if the wiring is already in place for the esp switch? if so ill rig it in myself lol,
although the esp proved itself if it was the esp and not me that brought the car back in-line after some sideways action round the savannah. its the tcs i wanna switch off. Purely for scientific purposes
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you hear quite a "thud" sounds from the box and the light blinks when it kicks in ......... it comes in with a slight touch of the brakes during loss of traction .......
i think ryan peru perfected using it with left foot braking at dex |
I've heard this argument and as an SSS owner I must challenge it.
ESP on the swift requires two (2) additional sensors, one to sense steering input and the other is a type of accelerometer. So if you cannot find those sensors then you car does not have ESP. Also I think there is a special circuit for it (I read on another SSS forum) so if you have no fuse in your fuse box for it then guess what.....
Secondly ESP does not require tapping the brakes to activate. ESP is a highly advanced safety feature and, once its on, it will activate automatically! It activates when the control unit detects that the driver is attempting to turn, but the car isnt! It applys breaking force, and reduces throttle.... automatically. That is the reason why there is ALWAYS and on / off switch.
......This is also the reason you can only have true ESP on cars with e-throttle.
What tricks lots of folks is the fact that the SSS has EBD, electronic break force distribution. This is an advancement to ABS which allows selective brake force to be applied to the wheels that still have grip.
This is what Ryan was making use of at SOLODEX
On the SSS the thud sound happens whenever the ABS motor is activated.
Now if only someone could help me out with those rumours of special edition, from the factory 1.8 liter SSS |
never heard of the any special edition 1.8
thanks for the clarification of ESP and EBD. but the esp also makes a thud sounds .... not so? |
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BLUE_CP9A
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:24 am
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Rado,
I think your right I do not think we have ESP on our local SSS, haven't seen the ESP light iluminate on ignition, if we had it should illuminate for a coule of seconds and then come off.
There is a 1.9 kit which I'm sure you have seen before, never heard of a factory 1.8 SSS though.
Hows the car by the way haven't seen you on swiftsport.net for some time |
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Knight1
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:53 am
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| rado wrote: | | Ignorant Ignis wrote: | | jm3 wrote: | u know if the wiring is already in place for the esp switch? if so ill rig it in myself lol,
although the esp proved itself if it was the esp and not me that brought the car back in-line after some sideways action round the savannah. its the tcs i wanna switch off. Purely for scientific purposes
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you hear quite a "thud" sounds from the box and the light blinks when it kicks in ......... it comes in with a slight touch of the brakes during loss of traction .......
i think ryan peru perfected using it with left foot braking at dex |
I've heard this argument and as an SSS owner I must challenge it.
ESP on the swift requires two (2) additional sensors, one to sense steering input and the other is a type of accelerometer. So if you cannot find those sensors then you car does not have ESP. Also I think there is a special circuit for it (I read on another SSS forum) so if you have no fuse in your fuse box for it then guess what.....
Secondly ESP does not require tapping the brakes to activate. ESP is a highly advanced safety feature and, once its on, it will activate automatically! It activates when the control unit detects that the driver is attempting to turn, but the car isnt! It applys breaking force, and reduces throttle.... automatically. That is the reason why there is ALWAYS and on / off switch.
......This is also the reason you can only have true ESP on cars with e-throttle.
What tricks lots of folks is the fact that the SSS has EBD, electronic break force distribution. This is an advancement to ABS which allows selective brake force to be applied to the wheels that still have grip.
This is what Ryan was making use of at SOLODEX
On the SSS the thud sound happens whenever the ABS motor is activated.
Now if only someone could help me out with those rumours of special edition, from the factory 1.8 liter SSS |
Ditto. I'm under the impression that local cars don't have ESP 
AS for the EBD, that's a pretty standard system nowadays......the "thud"....I've never heard that as happening with ESP. Also, if the car has "ESP", it technically will come into play in aggressive cornering AT ALL TIMES....not just when the driver gets into trouble
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Hows the car by the way haven't seen you on swiftsport.net for some time |
Never seen you there  You should post your car in the SS.net gallery.....you'll see mine there (under a different name of course). |
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BLUE_CP9A
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:10 am
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Never seen you there You should post your car in the SS.net gallery.....you'll see mine there (under a different name of course).
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Haven't put pics up yet, enjoying the car, haven't had chance to take pics
I'll work on that! |
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Ignorant Ignis
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:23 am
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Ditto. I'm under the impression that local cars don't have ESP
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yuh know i was wondering this myself.
from the sg forum they said it only comes on the mega package cars ... that i know we don't have in Trinidad. but i swear i see the light on a version 2 SSS.
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BLUE_CP9A
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:50 am
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| haven't seen the light illuminate on my series 2. |
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jm3
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:32 am
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wtf so i have paid all this money for particualr features and its turning out i dont have more and more of them?
it said on the proforma that it had esp i have paid for esp i will contact suzuki tomorrow to find out what is the deal. |
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jm3
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:35 am
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| there were better cars for the price if i had known i wouldnt have the plus points of the car. |
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rado
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:39 am
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I know I got tricked early on with the EPS (electronic power steering) fuse on the fusebox. At first I thought it was ESP 
The owner's manual indicates that some models may actually have EPS (letters) on the dash... mine has the steering wheel symbol. This could be the source of the confusion. |
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BLUE_CP9A
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 11:53 am
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the esp symbol and light is a car on a slippery road, car and two swirly lines below, its there on the instrument cluster but it doesn't light at all.
We have EPS though, I know that for sure.
I don't need ESP though |
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Swifted
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:10 pm
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^^^who is ESP again? lol  |
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jm3
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:07 pm
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| can ne1 confirm for definate that we have esp or not before i cause a rucus at lifestyle the sport was supposed to have been recalled to have it fitted on the older models so where is it in trinidad? |
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jm3
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:16 pm
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| after some looking around i found if you have a facelift sss you should have esp, facelift models have indicators on mirrors, a closer gear ratio on manuals and a 7200rpm limit up from 6800rpm. mine is definately facelift. |
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rado
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:25 pm
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| jm3 wrote: | | after some looking around i found if you have a facelift sss you should have esp, facelift models have indicators on mirrors, a closer gear ratio on manuals and a 7200rpm limit up from 6800rpm. mine is definately facelift. |
breds, let me make it simple for you. if you have no switch, then its not on the car.
Oh and by the way I also have the latest SSS from lifestyle, about 4 monts now. The only reason I mentioned anything in this thread is because I really don't like when someone working for company gives false info to customers, or allows a product misconception to persist. If someone at lifestyle wants to convince you otherwise, just ask them politely to show you the steering angle sensor |
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Ignorant Ignis
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:14 pm
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| jm3 wrote: | | after some looking around i found if you have a facelift sss you should have esp, facelift models have indicators on mirrors, a closer gear ratio on manuals and a 7200rpm limit up from 6800rpm. mine is definately facelift. |
this was my thoughts to before this this topic came up.
but don't go kicking up a big fuss yet .....
i know several lifestyle employees read this forum all the time including managers. so i hope one of them gives a u response. if not i could find out for sure on Monday.
why not check the service manual for the location of the sensor and then check on your car ? |
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Knight1
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Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:59 pm
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| Quote: | | after some looking around i found if you have a facelift sss you should have esp, facelift models have indicators on mirrors, a closer gear ratio on manuals and a 7200rpm limit up from 6800rpm. mine is definately facelift. |
Well my research confirms the same thing.......except that I still not sure whether we have ESP.
Doesn't make sense pursuing with Lifestyle....some of their folks / reps are not....umm.....very sharp when it comes to automotive tech.
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