piggy back ecu sss

jm3 · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:52 pm Post subject: piggy back ecu sss

is it ne use using my apexi safc neo from my last project that failed on the sport? or should i sell it along with my profec and get emanage ultimate?

Knight1 · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject:

^^Emanage ultimate is proven on the SSS (both Greddy/Trust and R's racing used it on their power package ZC31S offerings to much success).

I used the Ultimate briefly in another car......and it's really comprehensive compared to what a "somewhat simplistc by comparison" SAFC can do....esp. considering that the Ultimate can use external sensors (knock / MAP etc etc).

Of course, as with all applications of either, keep in mind you may lose *some* of the inherent safety functions that the ECU has (more so with the SAFC, you can perhaps try some limits in the Emanage Ult I imagine)......such as ign retard due to knock for example?

I trust you'd have some mods you'd want to "tune" for of course? (4-2-1 headers? exhaust? intake?)

Ignorant Ignis · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:08 am Post subject:

x2...... very little gains on the apexi and it can't control VVT

jm3 · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:14 am Post subject:

ye ill be modding it as soon as its had its 1k i have lots of spare performance parts that i have no use for on the forester as it has all the sti trimmings lol so may aswell put them into service my friend had offered to swap ultimate for my profec. only prob is i dont like that sort of stuff in a "used" condition as theres always little things missing that turn out to be important.

jm3 · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:26 am Post subject:

also wuz d scene with the esp. does the version of the sport sold here actually have it or not? i dont see an esp button or nething.

Ignorant Ignis · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:39 am Post subject:

jm3 · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:00 am Post subject:

u know if the wiring is already in place for the esp switch? if so ill rig it in myself lol,
although the esp proved itself if it was the esp and not me that brought the car back in-line after some sideways action round the savannah. its the tcs i wanna switch off. Purely for scientific purposes
Wink

Ignorant Ignis · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:34 am Post subject:

take yuh time with the esp/ tcs ......... at high speeds if you aggressively over correct while power sliding the esp kicks in and hits you a wicked snap over steer.

R.I.P pck 911

Ignorant Ignis · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:38 am Post subject:

jm3 · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:33 pm Post subject:

ive found the car likes to shake its ass a bit though lol i expected more understeer but i guess thats the esp doing its job.
altho its been 4 years since i owned a light fwd guess i gotta get used to it again.

jm3 · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 2:34 pm Post subject:

Ignorant Ignis · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject:

Swifted · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 5:01 pm Post subject:

all these interesting terms; esp/tcs

old geezer GTi's don't have any of those gizmos, lol ...we have to rely on the Oscar Sierra (Oh Sh!t) method of spirited driving 'correections'!

Knight1 · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 8:24 pm Post subject:

jm3 · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:40 pm Post subject:

im not gonna go too far with the mods (well im trying to refrain), tbh the car is vey well balanced stock,
suzuki seems to have done a god job on it i definately want to get another 20-30whp as i was under the impression i was buying a new car with 125 whp lol. as theres no turbo to play with it gonna be a little bit of a task to make the numbers. i used octane boost on this tank of gas to see how much power the 95 ron is stealing. the drive to maracas over the weekend will indicate what i need to do as long as theres not too much traffic if there is ill go up on a weekday.
p.s graphics,panel filters and giant chrome rims aint my thing rofl

Knight1 · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:51 am Post subject:

^^My 2c....... off the shelf octane boosters are in most cases, pointless. The small amount hardly raises the octane of a full, or even half a tank of gas, effectively beyond 1 "RON" (calc. volumetric average of octanes - 0. Cool

. And they can mess up the O2 sensors over time (the boosters with MMT that is).

Now if you try toluene.............. Shocked

Swifted · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:14 am Post subject:

^^If I don't use NOS Racing Forumla, my car wil ping heavily from peak torque (4,000rpm) to redline. If your cars' management deals with low octane fuel well (pulls back Ign. timing), then in most cases you won't even notice there's something missing. until, you add a good octane booster, not jus ah 'treatment' ...I've done lots of research on octane boosters, and the NOS Racing Formula wins hands down in every test! I buy the sh!t by the case cuz my cars' management isn't capable of pulling back timing, lol.

Ignorant Ignis · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:21 am Post subject:

Knight1 · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:21 am Post subject:

^^^W3rd. That NOS booster one of the few that actually doesn't use MMT if I'm not mistaken. It's one of the better ones out there too......actually gives a good octane boost (I'll have to chain up one of our lab techs to run the Octane of this with pump premium on the test engine setup)

jm3 · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:54 pm Post subject:

ah so the performance increse i percieved is a placebo Sad

ill try out the nos then that bought locally? or i gotta ship it in?

Ignorant Ignis · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 1:41 pm Post subject:

for a nice increase in acceleration try a e-throttle controller .... i have heard pretty good reviews of them on the SSS

Swifted · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:19 pm Post subject:

^^^you can get it for a decent price by Juruwan, and there are a few Power Sellers here that offer it too. I know that the Ignis & Swift Sport has an 11:1 CR, but their ECU's pull back timing when it detects knock, so most of you out there are not truely getting the best performance out of your cars with our 'claimed' 95RON fuel. If you were to fill your tanks up after adding the NOS octane Booster, drive around for a few miles to mix them good, AND reset your ECU (lift the battery negative terminal for 5 mins.) I guarantee you that you will see a marked improvement in the performance!

My Justification:

on my very 'dated' GTi, where the ECU cannot pull back timing, I have to set my Ignition refernce, and the IGN. map is then based on this refernce. without any octane booster, I cannot advance any more than 2 degrees BTDC or there will be knock. when I run the correct mix ratio of the NOS (0.8oz/Gallon of Premium Petrol) I can advance my Ignition to 5 degrees BTDC before I get knock. If i use 1.6oz/Gallon Premium Petrol), I can advance my timing to 9 degrees BTDC before knock.

this tells me that the added Octane Booster IS in fact negating the pre-ignition associated with lower octane fuel.

The benefits? More Ign. advance means that the combustion cycle is more efficient because combustion is started earlier, better economy BECAUSE more energy is gained from the earlier Ignition, and your exhaust valves don't run as hot(I have witnessed this effect on my Coolant temps. lower when the IGN. is more advanced, inverse when retarded).

jm3 · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 4:20 pm Post subject:

ty for info swifted ill try and get some.

rado · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject:

Ignorant Ignis · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:09 pm Post subject:

BLUE_CP9A · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:24 am Post subject:

Rado,

I think your right I do not think we have ESP on our local SSS, haven't seen the ESP light iluminate on ignition, if we had it should illuminate for a coule of seconds and then come off.

There is a 1.9 kit which I'm sure you have seen before, never heard of a factory 1.8 SSS though.

Hows the car by the way haven't seen you on swiftsport.net for some time

Knight1 · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:53 am Post subject:

BLUE_CP9A · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:10 am Post subject:

Ignorant Ignis · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:23 am Post subject:

BLUE_CP9A · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:50 am Post subject:

haven't seen the light illuminate on my series 2.