No Turbo!

MazGT · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:56 pm Post subject: No Turbo!

Hey guys check it out who can tell me how to get some extra bang from a car without a turbo?

Zeriam · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 3:36 pm Post subject:

cams, Ecu, intakE, Extractors, exhaust, wheEL sizE, taking wEIght off the car i.e adding carbon fibEr parts, nos, aEro parts like a wing, or a supEr chargER but thats along the lines of turbo i guess

Hook · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject:

up until now u eh say which 4A-GE u have eh...1998 Sprinter GT will carry either a Blacktop or Silvertop 20V (tho I feel is a blacktop you'll have)..

it varies, how much u can squeeze out of either one without boosting it

MazGT · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:14 am Post subject:

YEAH IT'S A BLACKTOP 20V I HAVE! IT HAVE AH AE110 DOWN HERE WITH A TURBO KIT HE RUNNING 8 LBS BUT HE STILL CANT BEAT A GT COROLLA AND THATS WHAT HE WANTED IT FOR I FEEL SO SORRY FOR HIM.LOL

EarthQuake · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:16 am Post subject:

hm

what the GT Corolla have

Strauss · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 8:26 am Post subject:

Can of VTEC works for me.

Hook · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:27 am Post subject:

well what options have u explored so far?

in stock trim, once u get the required 100RON gas u supposed to be putting out 170horses at the flywheel...figure say 150-ish at the wheels if it's M/T and 140-ish if it's A/T...I may be wrong here

as far as bolt-on mods, CAI or a SRI and tuned exhaust headers, ignition upgrades..external, stand-alone or piggyback FMU (whichever tickles your pickle), a window switch can act as a VVT controller (or a piggyback system like a VAFC which incorporates the two)...HKS has an adjustable cam gear set and a pulley kit or the 20V as well

Nitrous, can be considered by some as a "chemical turbo" of sorts...so the N/A purists will oppose this, but it's an option...the quad throttles create the high possibility of starving the cylinders furthest away from the nitrous charge tho, and worse yet if u using velo stacks, so direct port injection is the most efficient way...do LOTS of research first

since it's blacktop and it's metering the intake via a MAP sensor, u can ditch the stock airbox and opt for some velocity stacks...some re-routing of the vacuum hoses for A/C and cold start idle-up is necessary, but not impossible

not much to do with internals really...Tom's/Toda/HKS cams are a nice addition..I believe Tom's has a complete valvetrain kit available...then there's the usual port and polish

but above all, octane is your main obstacle here buddy...there's little tuning things to be done with a stock 20V...MAF tweaking, timing and plugs and the piss gas we get at the pump will always keep it from reaching its potential...
do some research into water injection, I think it's a viable option to cool the intake charge and improve octane at the same time, BUT like nitrous, cylinder starvation is a concern as well...but you're a smart guy, you can come up with something Wink

MazGT · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject:

well gt corolla's come around 160-175hp his regular corolla comes with 95hp he add on the turbo kit with 8lbs boost lets say 1lb giving you 5hp gain so he has 40hp gain all toghether he has 135hp much shy of a GT COROLLA.

MazGT · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject:

HooK or you a mechanic cause you know a whole lot man,i wish i knew as much as you about tht stuff but i'm reading up and learning soon i will be like you .lol....
THANX FOR THE ADVISE.

EarthQuake · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 2:07 pm Post subject:

it didnt make sense he turbo that

where he get manifold for that engine

my engine faster than his own

Hook · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject:

lol..I'm no mechanic...I read up and dig up in my ride just like anyone else on this forum Laughing

but there are boosted 4A-FE's all over that'll put a serious beating on ur GT eh..don't get cocky cuz ur buddy didn't do it correctly..there was one in Bim a while back that cranked out something like ~250hp at the wheels if I remember correctly

the 4A-FE can't take any fair amount of boost without internal work...let's say 6psi max without an intercooler and maybe 8psi with it....compression needs to be lowered, stonger pistons and con rods (say from a GZE), then there's the issue of fuel management, the flimsy 6bolt flywheel (I'd prefer an 8-bolt wheel for that kinda juice) and the econo crankshaft that likes to take a cool stroll when u play with ur redline too much Laughing

(and redline is only around 6300rpm or thereabouts)

if your buddy was doing the bulk of the work himself, then it'd prolly be worthwhile if parts are easy to come by...but to put that much time and effort into building a boosted 4A-FE monster isn't worth it IMO...he's better off working on a GZE

dmitc · Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 2:51 pm Post subject:

MazGT · Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 10:20 am Post subject:

I know it got some serious 4a-fe around the place so much people told him he had more work to do on the car before he can really run them GT'S but he said once them hear the pssssst from his blow-off valve they will get scared he was wrond.LOL just gave them more drive to cut his ass.

5A-FTE.NET · Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:55 pm Post subject:

Zeriam · Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:21 pm Post subject:

thE 20v sliveR top has thE strongeR intErnals not thE black top

5A-FTE.NET · Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:33 pm Post subject:

Zeriam · Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 2:37 pm Post subject:

no scene but is nice to know a 5a could hold somE boost i does bE happy to see somE hand build toyota turbos engines

MazGT · Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 9:08 am Post subject:

BIG PROPS TO YOUR RIDE AND YOU IT TOOK SOME REAL SKILLS AND BALLS TO DO WHT U DID 5AFTE W/H THT ENGINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

outrider · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:44 am Post subject:

TRDcorolla · Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:36 pm Post subject:

^

the black top have a higher compressio ratio...S/T= 10.5:1....B/T=11:1

in the black top the connection rods are lighter...supposedly this allows the engine to rev higher easier and theyre supposed to be better balanced, but most cases have proven the ae101 (S|T)connection rods to be stronger

Also the silvertop ran on an AFM sensor, with the blacktop running on a MAP sensor.

outrider · Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:01 am Post subject:

interesting........i tink i'll do some more research ..........thanx bro.... Mr. Green

TRDcorolla · Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 1:06 am Post subject:

^ no scene, so yuh coming dex wit yuh double barrel wagon Twisted Evil

TRDcorolla · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 6:27 pm Post subject:

hey out rider i was doing some more reading on the 20v and came across some more stuff about the 20 v

ST data on left - BT on the right

open inlet ports with no dividers - 3 equal ports with good dividers

different offset vvt gears

ecu is tottaly different

vane airflow meter - Map + TPS

BT has a wider face on the inlet port side

BT has a wider botton on the manifold and 4 additional vacuum bleeds into one mini plenum.

round thottles - more heart shaped opening

BT has wider inlet ports

BT has larger exhuast ports

6.9kg flywheel - 5.9kg flywheel

square shape opening on the inside of the intake gasket/heat insulator - triange shape

34.5cc chamber with squish areas - 37.8cc and virtually no squish areas

light pistons with 5 valve cuts - heavy pistons and virtually no flycuts

convential gudgen pins - gudgen pins with tapered ends (8g lighter)

BT engine might be a interference engine!

7.97 intake lift - 8.2mm intake lift

spring tension belt idler - hyraulic unit

BT has 2 teeth longer timing belt

thick con-rods at 506g with bolts - very thin rods at 485g with bolts

plastic trumpets - rubber trumpets

BT has a larger airbox volume

outrider · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 8:33 pm Post subject:

^^^^^^aye thanx fuh d info man......d more i read is d more i want to do d 20v conversion........alot of work still to be done on d car.......I really bought d wagon to put big music.........buh speed infectious.......god help me....

TRDcorolla · Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject:

Cyrafari · Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:02 pm Post subject:

Hook · Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject:

lol...imagine a Greenz war reach on 2nr yes!

eliteauto · Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:14 pm Post subject:

Hook · Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:16 pm Post subject:

yeh man....is YOU self posted up a link to some page that compared them down to the weight of the internals and it turns out the S/T is non-interference whilst the B/T is

haydn28 · Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 6:02 pm Post subject: