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A172 TriniTuner 24-7
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:05 am Post subject: |
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so the 20v needs a lot more time and distance to make any noticeable power then?
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moti I LUV THIS PLACE
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:34 am Post subject: |
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which brings me to my question:
what kinda Hp we looking at here
the engine is stock though
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vans 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| in my situation i will get my arse buss?? |
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eliteauto punchin NOS
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| The 20V is not a "drag"/ 1/4 mile engine, it's a high-revver more suited to circuit racing, to make it and effective 1/4 miler would require a lot of cash |
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V2NR 3.0 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:54 am Post subject: |
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| corollalover101 wrote: | | The 20V is not a "drag"/ 1/4 mile engine, it's a high-revver more suited to circuit racing, to make it and effective 1/4 miler would require a lot of cash |
So are you saying that from Grand Bazaar to Golconda, the Toyota 20v would be in the lead? |
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vans 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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booge if you have a b14 vvl neo . my freind will be willing to race and we could settle once and for all
vvl vs 20v |
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QG 30 pounds of Boost
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Anton wrote: | The 20v would collect some licks on the 1/4 from the sr20vvl, but will hold its own on longer stretches.
Fact, not Fiction. |
LOL ...so does the VVL my friend |
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Hook punchin NOS
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Supra GT-FOUR wrote: | i really dont see the point in comparing a 1.6l 20 valve and a 2.0l sr20 vvl. efficiency is about hp per litre.
A more sutiable comparison would be the sr16-ve and the 20valve both having 1.6l displacement.
also what version of 20valve balcktop or silvertop? |
why did this thread even continue after this statement? |
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moti I LUV THIS PLACE
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| moti wrote: | which brings me to my question:
what kinda Hp we looking at here
the engine is stock though
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somebody tell meh nah cause i not getting a stright answer from google or wiki  |
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eliteauto punchin NOS
Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Tech posts: 3616 Location: Writing a survivor's manuscript of success My 2NRide: Feet
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| booge wrote: | | corollalover101 wrote: | | The 20V is not a "drag"/ 1/4 mile engine, it's a high-revver more suited to circuit racing, to make it and effective 1/4 miler would require a lot of cash |
So are you saying that from Grand Bazaar to Golconda, the Toyota 20v would be in the lead? |
my response was not in light of the SR20VVL since there are displacement issues, I was just stating my opinion of the engine given it's characteristics, as for who would be in the lead, there are many other factors to consider |
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skylineGTR55036018 Ricer
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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vvl engine has way more HP and Torque that the 20v...
i'd go with the b14...
dats a nice pull though... |
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Supra GT-FOUR Street 2NR
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Horsepower dis torque dat... it's amazing that nobody taking into account gearing. bearing in mind the 20valve blacktop comes with a 6 speed close ratio gearbox. and the earlier version (non20v) vvls NEVER came manual only with Hyper cvt M6. |
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Supra GT-FOUR Street 2NR
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| moti wrote: | | moti wrote: | which brings me to my question:
what kinda Hp we looking at here
the engine is stock though
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somebody tell meh nah cause i not getting a stright answer from google or wiki  |
Chief like nobody aint taking u on... that pic looks like a 1st gen (1983-1987) rwd wide angle 4A-GE 16 valve it makes 112 hp (84 kW) at 6600 rpm and 131 N·m (97 lb·ft) of torque at 4800 rpm in the American version. Japanese version 130 hp (97 kW) dont know tq figures. |
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Keyser Soze Sweet on this forum
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:06 am Post subject: |
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^^^Are those figures quoted in WHP or BHP?
Always luved that engine.... |
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QG 30 pounds of Boost
Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Tech posts: 2586 Location: Cross-Crossing, San Fernando My 2NRide: Nissan Y11 AD WAGON
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| Supra GT-FOUR wrote: | | Horsepower dis torque dat... it's amazing that nobody taking into account gearing. bearing in mind the 20valve blacktop comes with a 6 speed close ratio gearbox. and the earlier version (non20v) vvls NEVER came manual only with Hyper cvt M6. |
You made a strong point there...but Booge is talking about a manual vvl in a b14.
vvl will take win |
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legoRB Sweet on this forum
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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The 20V is not a "drag"/ 1/4 mile engine, it's a high-revver more suited to circuit racing, to make it and effective 1/4 miler would require a lot of cash
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFh-RYKalso
The video above shows a toyota starlet kp62 20V vs nissan sentra sr20ve.... |
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legoRB Sweet on this forum
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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^^^^^ this example of wat a 20v can do withsum $$$$ in it...........
stock on the other hand versus a sr20ve is anodah b-game....
thas one is a toss up.... : |
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Supra GT-FOUR Street 2NR
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Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| QG wrote: | | Supra GT-FOUR wrote: | | Horsepower dis torque dat... it's amazing that nobody taking into account gearing. bearing in mind the 20valve blacktop comes with a 6 speed close ratio gearbox. and the earlier version (non20v) vvls NEVER came manual only with Hyper cvt M6. |
You made a strong point there...but Booge is talking about a manual vvl in a b14.
vvl will take win |
I found some data on the ratios of the respective manual trnsmissions.
P11 RS5F32A Ratios (gearbox that comes with SR20-DE)
1st 3.0625
2nd 1.8261
3rd 1.2857
4th 0.9750
5th 0.7556
final drive 4.3750
toyota c160 ratios (6speed that comes with blacktop20v)
1st 3.166
2nd 2.050
3rd 1.481
4th 1.166
5th 0.916
6th 0.725
final drive 4.529
Also a point to note is that the blacktop 20valve has a redline of 7800rpm and the sr20ve a 7200rpm redline. |
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QG 30 pounds of Boost
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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sr20ve 7200 rpm according to specs.
I have personally seen VVLs making 8000rpm, 8500rpm and 9000rpm (this was automatic, using the 1, and 2 lever) and all on stock form.  |
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Knight1 Shifting into 6th
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I have personally seen VVLs making 8000rpm, 8500rpm and 9000rpm (this was automatic, using the 1, and 2 lever) and all on stock form |
Stock redline is 7200 rpm yuh say?
So therefore you're either saying that some owners aren't too bright (by overreving without blueprinting), or, the engine can hold its own against abuse?
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MJ 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| if it's stock revving past the 7200rpm redline would make no sense since no more power will be made |
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QG 30 pounds of Boost
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| MJ wrote: | | if it's stock revving past the 7200rpm redline would make no sense since no more power will be made |
You have a point.
But the ENGINE WAS ABLE TO REACH 160km/h in third gear (after rocking it from 2 to D-drive). Engine was real bawling, I thought he was gonna blow something on the highway.
Knight1, is not what I say, that's according to Nissan specs with 7200rpm being redline.
But knowing trini's, we always pushing things to the limit  |
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Anton Chronic TriniTuner
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:14 am Post subject: |
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| QG wrote: | | Anton wrote: | The 20v would collect some licks on the 1/4 from the sr20vvl, but will hold its own on longer stretches.
Fact, not Fiction. |
LOL ...so does the VVL my friend |
WRT to gearing. When i had the 20v ST in my AE92 i had it mated to a 3A gearbox. The ratios made for really fun driving. In 3rd gear the speedo would hit the end of the 180 kph journey with 4th and 5th still accelerating. The matchup with the neo in a Y10 is not fictional. I got cut arse in the 1/4 (the best it ever did was a 16.1) but the highway runs were always very competitive.
BTW i do not condone street racing in any form. Spirited driving under reasonably controlled circumstances is a different kettle of fish. |
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V2NR 3.0 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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On the power band, i shift just before 7200rpm to maximise power. My engine is pushed to its limits.
Gear 3 - Im crossing 160km |
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Supra GT-FOUR Street 2NR
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:46 am Post subject: |
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| QG wrote: | sr20ve 7200 rpm according to specs.
I have personally seen VVLs making 8000rpm, 8500rpm and 9000rpm (this was automatic, using the 1, and 2 lever) and all on stock form.  |
What ecu were the said cars runnin? cause on a stock VE ecu there is a fuel cut at 7200RPM
And booge u real lucky to even know what speed u goin man. I usually have to guesstimate by the amount of vehicles i passin. Glad to see u enjoyin the VVL. When the MSS comin? |
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V2NR 3.0 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Supra GT-FOUR wrote: | | QG wrote: | sr20ve 7200 rpm according to specs.
I have personally seen VVLs making 8000rpm, 8500rpm and 9000rpm (this was automatic, using the 1, and 2 lever) and all on stock form.  |
What ecu were the said cars runnin? cause on a stock VE ecu there is a fuel cut at 7200RPM
And booge u real lucky to even know what speed u goin man. I usually have to guesstimate by the amount of vehicles i passin. Glad to see u enjoyin the VVL. When the MSS comin? |
MSS is in the country. Just need to hook up. |
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Knight1 Shifting into 6th
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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^^So I'm curious......why go from an SR20DET (based on another thread you posted), to an N/A VVL?
I'm sure a properly modded DET might be more "confident" against an N/A 20V?(Or am I wrong?) |
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A172 TriniTuner 24-7
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Knight1 wrote: | | ^^So I'm curious......why go from an SR20DET (based on another thread you posted), to an N/A VVL? |
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Knight1 Shifting into 6th
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:40 pm Post subject: |
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^^Ok....I guess I should retract my post then
A172 and a popcorn icon cyah be a good ting in dis kinda ched............ 
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A172 TriniTuner 24-7
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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nah nah....leff it  |
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