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booge
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 Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:36 am
Post subject: Nissan's SR20 VVL Neo vs Toyota's 20v |
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Guys, coming out of this very good thread: http://forums.trinituner.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=247092&highlight=
Lets have a little discussion on the captured topic.
Nissan B-14 with SR20vvl Neo vs Toyota Corolla 101 with a 20v.
Both engines are stock for stock.
Technical contributions please |
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haydn28
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 10:51 am
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B14 shud win in my opinion ....that is obvious to any experienced racer or racing spectator.... the 2 cars would be around same weight , the 20v would put less power and torque to the ground and the sr would have a better midrange / lower band ,(and top end ) power band compared to the 20v. Booge i thought u is d tech guru since u always posting here , ent u supposed to know this...i hope this is NOT a chain up thread  |
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booge
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:11 pm
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| Quote: | | B14 shud win in my opinion ....that is obvious to any experienced racer or racing spectator.... the 2 cars would be around same weight , the 20v would put less power and torque to the ground and the sr would have a better midrange / lower band ,(and top end ) power band compared to the 20v. Booge i thought u is d tech guru since u always posting here , ent u supposed to know this...i hope this is NOT a chain up thread |
^^ Welcome to a good discussion. However there are significant differences between the two engines that can lead to a toss up on the 1/4 mile.
This is the engine i was referring too : 4A-GE (20-valve) which has the following specs: This engine produces 160 PS (158 hp/118 kW) at 7400 rpm with 162 N·m (119 ft·lbf) at 5200 rpm of torque. |
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A.M. Distributors
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:03 pm
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| The corolla 101 would surprise you with the 20v,....IMHO the 20v will give the sr a run for its $$$$. |
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turbonator
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:04 pm
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| booge wrote: | | Quote: | | B14 shud win in my opinion ....that is obvious to any experienced racer or racing spectator.... the 2 cars would be around same weight , the 20v would put less power and torque to the ground and the sr would have a better midrange / lower band ,(and top end ) power band compared to the 20v. Booge i thought u is d tech guru since u always posting here , ent u supposed to know this...i hope this is NOT a chain up thread |
^^ Welcome to a good discussion. However there are significant differences between the two engines that can lead to a toss up on the 1/4 mile.
This is the engine i was referring too : 4A-GE (20-valve) which has the following specs: This engine produces 160 PS (158 hp/118 kW) at 7400 rpm with 162 N·m (119 ft·lbf) at 5200 rpm of torque. |
SR20VE 187 hp (139 kW) and 145 lb·ft (197 N·m) torque.
I guess the numbers speak for themselves. And as hayden28 said both cars are about equal in weight. |
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turbonator
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:05 pm
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Only one way to know for sure  |
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A.M. Distributors
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:07 pm
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| ^^^ true,...so this comparison havent been done on the track??? |
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booge
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:23 pm
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| A.M. Distributors wrote: | | ^^^ true,...so this comparison havent been done on the track??? |
Interesting. Have this ever been done ? |
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:31 pm
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| most likely I'm sure it has,...I never saw it done though. Check the guys who be @ cross etc. |
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cinco
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:51 pm
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| what is the weight diff between the vehicles and the engines though |
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QG
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:33 pm
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| booge wrote: | | A.M. Distributors wrote: | | ^^^ true,...so this comparison havent been done on the track??? |
Interesting. Have this ever been done ? |
PM Foss, he had the corolla wagon with the 4A-GE 20VALVE engine and he raced a lucino with a SR16VVL on the cross.
The lucino won.
But the SR20VVL has more torque and power together with a moderate weight B14.....that should take win.
The mechanism behind the VVL built into the SR20 is a perfection.
I am willing to bet on a SR20VVL in a Primera as well, that would whoop any 4AGE vehicle equipped. |
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sentraman
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:54 am
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So I have kinda tested this out booge lol..
A corolla with a 20V and my b14 with a sr20de have done this time and time again.. Level licks for the sr20de. More than a car length everytime.
But I am sure that a VVL is a different story so you are safe   |
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A172
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 11:59 am
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| lol@ mumford |
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haydn28
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:57 pm
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| they doh like to hear the cold hard facts A172. i fed up get mumford although if i were talking fiction u know it wud ah remain.... |
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THE_FUGITIVES
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:30 pm
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Supra GT-FOUR
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:25 pm
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i really dont see the point in comparing a 1.6l 20 valve and a 2.0l sr20 vvl. efficiency is about hp per litre.
A more sutiable comparison would be the sr16-ve and the 20valve both having 1.6l displacement.
also what version of 20valve balcktop or silvertop? |
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booge
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 10:32 pm
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| ^^^ Agreed. The black top |
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legendkiller@1891
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:21 am
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| Supra GT-FOUR wrote: | i really dont see the point in comparing a 1.6l 20 valve and a 2.0l sr20 vvl. efficiency is about hp per litre.
A more sutiable comparison would be the sr16-ve and the 20valve both having 1.6l displacement.
also what version of 20valve balcktop or silvertop? |
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vans
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:28 pm
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| i supppose to race a patner with a 20valve in he corolla under gearbox against a vrg with vvl neo under automatic |
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Anton
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:09 am
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The 20v would collect some licks on the 1/4 from the sr20vvl, but will hold its own on longer stretches.
Fact, not Fiction. |
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