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shaker 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:27 pm Post subject: Need some advise on a cactus 5kw......... |
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| Now according to the specs this is a 1 ohm stable amp ......... but the person i bought it from and a few other people told me that the amp could be used for daily playing @ 0.5 ohm ........... i don,t want to damage my amp so i need some advise from the experts......... can i play 2 d2 subs bridged on this amp........... |
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fuzz_174 Riding on 16's
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 9:46 pm Post subject: |
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I wont advise you running that amp for 1 ohm daily playing,maybe just for spl burps,unless you have a shitload of batteries I would not advise you to do that
You should look into gettin a powerful 2ohm mono instead,maybe from Stetsom,Banda,Crossfire.. They would run your subs more efficiently.
Or maybe changing the coil configs of your subs, to dual 4 ohm each to get a final impedance of 1 ohm |
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shaker 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| fuzz , sorry i made a mistake , my car is a competition vehicle and the purpose of the amp is 4 crowd pleaser / gallery ........ what i need to know is , can the amp play a pair of dual 2 ohm subs @ half ohm without damaging the amp......... |
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noyztoyz 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| what is the pair of subs? |
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Lance TriniTuner WHOoRE
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Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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| More importantly, What is your electrical system. |
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3stagevtec punchin NOS
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| Lance wrote: | | More importantly, What is your electrical system. |
this is the correct question..
once you have a strong electrical setup, you should be safe running those amps at 0.5ohms.. plus when you factor in a little impedance rise, you shouldn't have much worries.
i have run my Sundowns at 0.5ohm constantly for daily / demos / SPL use and never had any issues with heat etc..
i have seen other competitors run the Atomics down to 0.25ohm for music and not have any issues.. i will NEVER recommend the 0.25ohm option unless you really know what you are doing..
one note though, massive voltage drop + low ohm loads will usually = burnt amp power supply.. so i'd try and keep my voltage above 12.0V when going all out for long... |
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3stagevtec punchin NOS
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:10 am Post subject: |
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oh, i now see you mentioned Cactus 5kw.. which is basically the same as the Atomic 5000.1.. which is what i saw tested..
here are 2 Atomic 5000.1's strapped at 0.5ohms (or 0.25ohms per amp!)
his electrical is a 220A alt and 5 batteries...
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shaker 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| my electrical system consists of 1 2000 powermaster in the engine bay , 3 3800 kinetics in the back and a 200 amp power master alternator......... |
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ravestarfx 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:15 am Post subject: |
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i believe all your questions will be answered
with one phone call to
shameer baksh
681-4144
or
654-5162 |
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noyztoyz 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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i still want to know what is the pair of subs please
i am familiar with his electrical system. |
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3stagevtec punchin NOS
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| noyztoyz wrote: | i still want to know what is the pair of subs please
i am familiar with his electrical system. |
would it matter? i got enough info when he said a pair of dual 2's... |
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noyztoyz 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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why?
lets say the amp runs at 4500rms at 1 ohm comfortable,
and he connects 2 5000watt subs to it at 1/2 ohm,
then he would have to max out his cactus at 1/2 ohm and play bass for almost a minute(because its for gallery)
and he would max it out because that power wont be enough to drive the 2 subs properly.
Now if he was to connect 2 p3 12s to it to come down to 1/2 ohm, he could go play all day long, that wont hurt the amp, because all he needs is about 1500watts.
but not maxed out at 1/2 ohm, i dont think any amp would hold up that is rated for 1 ohm stable.
-unless the dealers have personally tried this out and found it to hold up-
i bridged 2 channels of a rockford 800@4 at 1 ohm already and had it played one a my dds, i was flabbergasted by the power out, but after 20 seconds it was burning hot.
Had i continue it would have blown.
Its all about what u are going to do with at that ohm load that will will decide if it will work.
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Lance TriniTuner WHOoRE
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| noyztoyz wrote: | why?
lets say the amp runs at 4500rms at 1 ohm comfortable,
and he connects 2 5000watt subs to it at 1/2 ohm,
then he would have to max out his cactus at 1/2 ohm and play bass for almost a minute(because its for gallery)
and he would max it out because that power wont be enough to drive the 2 subs properly.
Now if he was to connect 2 p3 12s to it to come down to 1/2 ohm, he could go play all day long, that wont hurt the amp
but not maxed out at 1/2 ohm, i dont think any amp would hold up that is rated for 1 ohm stable.
-unless the dealers have personally tried this out and found it to hold up-
i bridged 2 channels of a rockford 800@4 at 1 ohm already and had it played one a my dds, i was flabbergasted by the power out, but after 20 seconds it was burning hot.
Had i continue it would have blown.
Its all about what u are going to do with at that ohm load that will will decide if it will work. |
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madman.devin 3NE 2NR for life
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| noyztoyz wrote: | why?
lets say the amp runs at 4500rms at 1 ohm comfortable,
and he connects 2 5000watt subs to it at 1/2 ohm,
then he would have to max out his cactus at 1/2 ohm and play bass for almost a minute(because its for gallery)
and he would max it out because that power wont be enough to drive the 2 subs properly.
Now if he was to connect 2 p3 12s to it to come down to 1/2 ohm, he could go play all day long, that wont hurt the amp
but not maxed out at 1/2 ohm, i dont think any amp would hold up that is rated for 1 ohm stable.
-unless the dealers have personally tried this out and found it to hold up-
i bridged 2 channels of a rockford 800@4 at 1 ohm already and had it played one a my dds, i was flabbergasted by the power out, but after 20 seconds it was burning hot.
Had i continue it would have blown.
Its all about what u are going to do with at that ohm load that will will decide if it will work. |
Thanks for ur input |
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noyztoyz 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| ur welcome sir |
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SR Chief Cook & Instigator
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject: |
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roflmao
you for real man |
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noyztoyz 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| could you explain whats wrong with what i said? |
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(...Rovin...) 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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company rec 250Ax2 fuse for this amp
though it can work like fuzz & 3stage said its going to suck alot of current + ur other mids\highs amps will have to share current from those 3 batts as well
if was for SPL which only need a 3 second burp then its no problem
its risky for music playing but CP is 'only' 45seconds so u can try it & see how d voltage holds up
i have a 200A alt & was running 2 pb 3000d strapped (on a @ 1ohm load) which also uses 250A x 2 fuses , i have less AH than u (probably less mids\highs amps than ur set) & in my case d current held up good but it might be a different case for u
u cud always install d4 kits on ur 2 subs instead ...  |
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noyztoyz 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| (...Rovin...) wrote: |
if was for SPL which only need a 3 second burp then its no problem
its risky for music playing but CP is 'only' 45seconds so u can try it & see how d voltage holds up
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nice
a 3 second burp will not stress the power supply stage of the amp.
But if you decide to do that for 45 seconds straight, the power supply stage has a high chance of failure. It wasnt designed to put out so much watts.
Also you can run it all day long at lower wattages once you're not stressing the power supply.
A 4000 watt amp with 80% efficiency will come with a power supply rated at some over 5000 watts.
If u try to get more out of it, it can fail, thats why it is dangerous to run amps at less than their rated ohm loads.
And if some1 disagrees with what i'm saying,
shaker wants to understand this properly because he does his music himself
so dont just roll around laughing like u know everything, post an explanation, use some numbers and examples, speak from experience
or it will be assumed that you know nothing.. |
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jeff TriniTuner WHOoRE
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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there is a reason subs come in different coil configs likewise amps
match them up properly that is all
if someone "tells" you if can play to this and that impedance, when your amp bun down i hope they give you back your money
this is so simple why do ppl make a deal out of this
the only exception is for extreme spl reasons and I HIGHLY doubt this is the reason to be doing this
this guy reminds me of southside last year  |
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shaker 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| The subs are a pair of DD 9510,s ...... |
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