Need advice on a PROPER small knock system

[angel_player]

Ok well heres the deal I would like to start buying up items bit by bit as the money comes to hand for a car audio system. I opened this post to ask my individual questions as they may arise and well...lemme jus get to the darn point

Vehicle: '05 Nissan AD Wagon

Head Unit: Pioneer 3100UB

Firstly I would like to get some ideas on how to do a simple "stealth install" in an AD Wagon what are my options?

Secondly the system is not for any car show or anything like that, jus to get a good SQ knock in my ride. The pieces I have decided to use this far are:
1. PowerBass S-6C 6.5" components
2. RE SX 10" or 12" subwoofer

I am kinda in the dark as to what amplifier I need to push the system, also what equalizer I would need to further tweak the system, all I know is that the amp should have high and low pass filters in order to send proper signals to speakers so they play notes they were meant to play , as for how the RMS levels etc work I am still confused

I would also like to keep as much of my trunk area as possible, therefore I would need a box shape that would have the sub perform properly as it is supposed to but yet use the space efficiently in the trunk area. box specs and advice is kinda needed here so I know what I am getting into

Although I am trying to save and put the system together in pieces, the budget I am working with in total is $4000 - $5000.

Also allyuh doh try to sell me stuff nah, I need the advice first thanks

[Exonic]

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[riadb]

one good 4 channel amplifier should do the job and save on space.

why a SX woofer tho?? those are around 1000W rms and would require a monoblock to power it thus u would need 2 amps instead.

U should look at a lower rating sub, somewhere in the range of 300 - 400rms so that the amplifier would be able to play it comfortably.

I would recommend -
Cerwin Vega Stroker 800.4 Amplifier 800rms - $2150
Cerwin Vega VMAX Subwoofer 500rms - 10" $850, 12" $950

I can also build a custom Fiberglass box for you depending on your needs.

PM or call if you're interested.

[noyztoyz]

u can use 2 pairs of the components and one sub if it is dual 2.

As for advice - u need the most powerful 4 channel amp u can get, around 800-1000rms real watts

As a businessman - u may also need a external crossover but if you use the PPI PCX480 i have in my tred for sale, u wont need to buy and external crossover, u save $, and the amp will do enough power to run all your stuff

[SR]

sigh
the man stated dont try to sell him stuff


we jsut completed an audi a4 with a fully stealth system for a total cost of $6000 keeping the factory head unit

for the ad wagon as you already have the head unit i recomend a good 4 channel amp to be isntalled under the front seat and a custom wedge box for a single 10" sub depending on your requirement that will determine sealed or ported
you should not spend more than 1500 for a decent 4 channel amp
comps in front about 1200 max
subwoofer about 1000
sub box about 400 sealed
wiring about 600
then labour if you are not doing the install yourslef

you already have a good idea on what to look for in an amp
depending on the quality of the speakers used that will determine if you need additional processing
the 3100 has decent built in processing for the budget you are working with

[Soundstream_626]

one more note to add ... u said stealth install and you want trunkspace as well

the ten will require no less than 1.4 cuft net ported and the 12 no less than 2 cuft net ported to work well ... ie ur looking at a decently sized box ... the sx series is not suited well for a sealed enclosure ... maybe u can try a sealed RE SE if u want to stick with RE

if you want to do a single amp system tho , that cerwin vega amp riad has is a pretty good deal for a new amp

[Lance]

A corner mounted Fiberglass sub woofer enclosure would be ideal for stealth as well as trunk space.

[roger]

[SR]

the audi a4 beat it
under dash subwoofer custom made using a flat sub ported smooth and very musical from high bass to low bass

upgraded the doors from 4" stock to 5" comps and the back dash from 5" stock to 6 1/2's

[angel_player]

[SR]

if you are looking for the stealth look then the choice of sub requires too much power

you wont find a 4 channel amp that will fit under your seat with 2 channels bridged putting out over 600watts rms
unless you go with a full range class d range of amps
the jl audio 600.4 amp is over $5k alone

if you are aiming for sq

i recommend the following combination

1 pr DLS C6a components $1100
http://www.dls.se/en/car/prod.html?produkt=en_56
1 Orion cobalt 600.4 $1300
http://www.orioncaraudio.com/Products/Products.aspx?ProductID=556
1 DLS W310d $875
http://www.dls.se/en/car/prod.html?produkt=en_434


Total cost $3275


the comps are rated at 60 watts rms
the sub is rated at 120rms

the amp is rated at 60x4 rms and 150x2 bridged

[BLUE_CP9A]

Angel player, i would seriously consider the option above.

DLS is an extremely good brand when it comes to SQ and its very hard to beat them.

Super Natural Sound is exactly what you get.

SR has giving you a extremely good suggestion.

If SQ is what you want well you wont be disappointed

you will not need an equalizer, the pioneer headunit is sufficent and i have seen many DLS installs where not much equalization was needed.

Good Luck

[riadb]

well basically this is the Cerwin Vega Stroker 800.4 Amplifier
http://www.cerwinvegamobile.com/s800_4.html

It is capable of putting out 400RMS for your bassline giving you more flexibility in your woofer selection and 400RMS for your mids/highs also...if you want it that way

Comes with full variable crossovers on both sections of the amplifier.

You can also run 1 or 2 pairs of components if you want to once your vehicle has space.

if you want to do more research on the brand check www.cerwinvegamobile.com

[angel_player]

[(...Rovin...)]

plenty sales pitch in here boy ...

i too will not rec d SX for a pure sq set , SE is much smoother , for d power range : RE SR series (300wrms)

look at 12" image dynamics ID series - built a 31hz ported box for 1 few wks ago & it sounds really good\smooth , more than enough loud for SQ purposes

also check out JL w3 ...

[carfreak1024]

^^^ that's a good recommendation there Rovin, the ID IDQ is around what 250rms, and that sub sounds so smooth, and gives a really nice low bassline, pair that with the PCX480 that noyztoyz have for 2100 i believe, and yuh set right there.

use 2 pairs of components like the DLS comps that SR suggested, i really like them i hears my cousin's RS6a's and i really liked how that sounded. With this setup the deck processing will be enough.

That system will run your full budget though.
is about 1000 for a IDQ, 2100 for the PCX480, and i think about 1400 or some for the RS6a's not too sure.

thats a total of about 4500, but that is just a guesstimate price.

[nello-sello]

the alpine type r subs also leaves a small footprint, provides excellent sq, can get loud and Raptor have them cheap cheap too

they are rated 500rms btw

[riadb]

[Soundstream_626]

nothing is wrong with underpowering you sub as long as u dont use boost on your equipment to try to get " more" out of it than what the system is capable of producing

as far as cone material .. subwoofers are purely pistonic any possible ringing from the cones will be out of the range in the audio spectrum that the sub plays so u need not concern urself with that

if you are looking for tiny amps soundstream has the stealth series that are quite small

6.5" (W) X 2.125" (H) X 11.25" (L)

as far as the fiberglass for the enclosure ... you generally use that whan u want to do odd shapes which help to make better use of the geometry and space you have to work with .. if you use enought matt and resin and the box is solid enough ur safe no drawbacks

heres some options of what you can achieve

[noyztoyz]

i didnt know cerwin vega had a 120a fuse 4 channel amp
would love to get one to try out.

[angel_player]

The Cerwin Vega subs are best for what kind of application SQ or SPL?

Anyways people again I am still in the process of researching the pieces of my system and getting a combination I am comfortable with.

I think I am settled with having the corner fiberglass enclosure in the back to save space.

OPTIONS
Components: DLS C6d or may opt for the Powerbass S6c
Subwoofer: JL w3v3 (need more SQ options here...who deals with Image Dynamics on these forums.. need their thread link for prices)

And although I know some of you ramble on about it doesnt matter what type of music you listen to; once your system to tuned properly it can handle any type of music, Let me just say if it helps I listen to 80s rock , 80s club/dance , Rap/HipHop, Ol School dub with them phat a$$ baselines 90s Dancehall nuh!

So with music like that I wanna hear my kick drums in my rock and my roving baselines in my rap and dub

So far I have one Amplifier suggestion:1 Orion cobalt 600.4 $1300 I would be willing to spend AT MOST about $1800 for a proper amp

[riadb]

^^ more SQ

[angel_player]

Ok people I have come to a decision on the components that will make up my system... time to save save save

Powerbass S6c 6.5" component speakers
Powerbass ASA class:A/B 600.4 amplifier
JL Audio 3v3 12" 4ohm

One other question, the Powerbass component speakers come with external crossovers, however, do I have to use them with the speakers if the amplifier already has High/Low crossover capability?

[(...Rovin...)]

put d filter to full pass & use d crossovers d comps came with


of course for bass u put d filter on low pass for d sub



if u want to cut down on cost alot i have a 4ohms svc powerbass 12" sub rated 300wrms which will work fine on this amp....

[angel_player]

thanks for the offer boy Rovin but for now I stickin with the JL.

but let me ask this question to everyone to get another opinion on something. The JL 3v3 subwoofer is 500 RMS, the Powerbass amp is 400watts x 2channnels bridged. This would mean 800 watts going to the subwoofer, but that would be over powering the subwoofer not so?

Apart from that I was on JL website again http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=25 and I saw this chart

Click for full-size.

Ent that would be too much power for the subwoofer according to what JL says about their product? If I am correct would I need a smaller RMS rating amp such as what SR suggested: Orion Cobalt 600.4 - 150watts x 2channels bridged = 300 watts

Lemme hear what allyuh have to say dey can I stick with the PowerBass?

[riadb]

but ent u gonna use half of the amp to play the components and half to play the subwoofer??

In that case the subwoofer will only see the 400W bridged @ 4ohms while the components will utilize the second half of the amplifier.

[SR]

both amps will work

[angel_player]

[angel_player]

ok guys next question, if the amp has high and low pass filters and the component speakers came with the high/low crossover boxes...

Is it necessary to use the component crossovers even though the amp has high and low pass capability?

Or if I get a component system without crossover boxes, I'll be ok, since the amp will handle all the required filtering?

Advice needed on options:
Powerbass S-6c (comes with crossovers)
JL Audio TR650-CSi (low end JL and has no crossovers)

[SR]

recomend the dls c6a comps as well

both comps will work

the jl has a high pass filter for the tweeter