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Ignorant Ignis
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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:09 pm
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| saltydog wrote: | | Ignorant Ignis wrote: | so ryan ... i can fairly say the mods i do while in ss clas will not bump me up ...correct ?
if i add a lsd lower final drive full coilover and chassis and strut brace and managment i will not be further bumped? |
now you pushing it, any more mods and you would be in EP  |
all the mods listed and forged hi comp pistons, rods cams & injectors and is still wont be doing a 1/4mile time less than 14 sec.... |
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wagonrunner
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:26 pm
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| Ignorant Ignis wrote: | | all the mods listed and forged hi comp pistons, rods cams & injectors and is still wont be doing a 1/4mile time less than 14 sec.... |
which brings me to meh next grouse, grouping together cars with similar handling, using straight line performance  |
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MG Man
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Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:15 pm
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| sooooooo............assuming the HSR is resurrected through an act of God, where would it fall, given it weighs around 900 kilos, was dynoed at 135 at the wheels (134 torque), and has bone stock suspension, solid rear axle, rear drum brakes, carbs etc????? |
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crazybalhead
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:14 am
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| wagonrunner wrote: | | Ignorant Ignis wrote: | | all the mods listed and forged hi comp pistons, rods cams & injectors and is still wont be doing a 1/4mile time less than 14 sec.... |
which brings me to meh next grouse, grouping together cars with similar handling, using straight line performance |
Interesting. Straight line power has little to do with a solodex course in my opinion.
I was thinking it should be based at least in some way on tyre type as well as power and suspension upgrades.
I remember I attended one meeting in valpark a few years ago and there was a HEATED argument about R compounds versus street tyres in diff categories. I don't want to open no can of worms here, but just sharing some thoughts. |
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SR
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:30 am
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years ago r compound meant a class bump
i agree straight line perfomance is not a good measure
however unless you have FREE dyno days how else do you calculate pwoer to weight ratios especially on cars that are not stock |
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pete
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:26 am
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It was a class bump until the 13" V700s used by the circuit cars became available at a low price. I guess it was then seen as a cheap mod that everyone could do (cept people who couldn't fit 13" rims) and that's why it was allowed without class bump.
So.. now that the price gone back up are they gonna be a class bump in 09? |
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Team Loco
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:40 am
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so wait, i actually have a chance of winning again? yes!!!
But Amir, i personally believe you should not be bumped. |
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wagonrunner
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:02 am
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| SR wrote: | i agree straight line perfomance is not a good measure
however unless you have FREE dyno days how else do you calculate pwoer to weight ratios especially on cars that are not stock |
these two things are the same.
i always use my experience to clarify.
Auto car did 75whp, swapped in g/b, car did 84whp. changed front coil springs to those from a manual because of the weight difference.
basically my car still handles the same, with a little bit more grunt. |
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crazybalhead
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:31 am
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| But wagonrunner, thais what the man saying, they are the same, but it needs to be independently ascertained as to the actual power to weight of the vehicle! |
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Team Loco
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:37 am
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| just got rid off the small body lean on the jep. i put in some bedford springs |
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Ignorant Ignis
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:54 am
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| Team Loco wrote: | so wait, i actually have a chance of winning again? yes!!!
But Amir, i personally believe you should not be bumped. |
but u running victors on the jep 
the price still doesn't warrant a bump as they still cheapper than a good set of new street tires.
both 13's@450.00 and 15"s@600.00 |
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SR
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:31 pm
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2400 for a set of 15's is not a "cheap" upgrade when they may only last 4 events
i personally perfer to spend that amount on a mod/upgrade i can enjoy for more than jsut 4 days |
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Ignorant Ignis
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:37 pm
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^^^ yuh know what a brand new set of 15 proxies or eagle f1's cost  |
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wagonrunner
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:39 pm
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| SR wrote: | 2400 for a set of 15's is not a "cheap" upgrade when they may only last 4 events
i personally perfer to spend that amount on a mod/upgrade i can enjoy for more than jsut 4 days |
if they only last four events, better improve your driving first, then look for "performance" upgrades after. |
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SR
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:43 pm
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yuh miss the point
the victor racers are not an upgrade thats cost effective for daily driving |
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wagonrunner
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:58 pm
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SR,
definitely i have.
do you get a class bump in competition or daily driving? |
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pete
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:08 pm
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| In terms of solodex it's probably the best modification you can make. |
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moti
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:49 pm
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so what class i goin in next year?
y11 ad wagon stock  |
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TRDcorolla
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Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 1:53 pm
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^x2, i got a stock nze (auto)
and what class would i be in if i do cai, headers and coilovers? |
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pete
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