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worksux101
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 Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 9:39 am
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Brawn: Ferrari, McLaren paying for 2008 success
Monday 6th April 2009
Ross Brawn reckons Ferrari and McLaren are currently paying for last year's success while his own Brawn GP outfit is benefiting from a dismal 2008.
Last year, fighting for the World titles, both Ferrari and McLaren were forced to concentrate their efforts on the continued development of their 2008 challengers and as such weren't able to turn their full attention to this year's vastly new designs.
This year, though, the situation is vastly different as, instead of leading the title races, McLaren have bagged just one point from two races while Ferrari have yet to even get off this mark.
"It is a reflection of what has gone on in the last year or two," Brawn told Reuters.
"McLaren and Ferrari had a Championship to fight over and I can understand that it was very difficult for them to say 'Look, we'll stop pushing this year and put our effort into next year'."
Brawn on the other hand had most of last year to work on the new car as it quickly became apparent that the 2008 Honda could not be a success.
"For us it was a very easy decision. It wasn't a clever one, just a very easy one. We didn't have a very good car so why waste time on it?" added Brawn, who has seen his driver Jenson Button win both this year's opening events.
The Englishman, though, is confident that both Ferrari and McLaren will be fighting for race wins and the title before too long. "They are both very strong and fantastic engineering companies so they will sort it out," he said.
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My initial point EXACTLY...the likes of Brawn GP and co are doing this well because last year they had nothing to fight for, and had a chance to start development of this year's car, with a ton of rule changes, much earlier than the others...
Only a matter of time before the bigger teams with high budgets catch up...will take awhile, but they'll get there as they always do...should make for a very interesting championship! |
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:10 am
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but the brawn gp, which was then the honda team, stopped working on their car for last year when they realized the $hit season they were having to concentrate on this year's car, one reason why they have a better car and the diffuser as well as the drivers were more comfortable with their new cars than the others could be. they have been ahead of the others in preparation but it will be a matter of time before the others catch up...hopefully...
and when last have ferrari made such mistakes like calling in massa in q1 and calling in kimi for wet tyres when the rain did not come down as yet...btw anyone knows why kimi retired when the red flag came out? |
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:33 am
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| ^maybe did not want to risk the car cuz there was no hope for points |
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:23 am
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| who've thought button x 2... lawls |
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:28 pm
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| ^ i like Vettel.... "stupid car, let me do ettt" |
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worksux101
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:44 pm
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^maybe did not want to risk the car cuz there was no hope for points
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Same with Australia...no hope for points so they pulled him in...
Vettel is deffo one for the future...just likes to race... |
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 7:55 pm
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| biggest let down since last year has to be Nelson Piquet Jr. though....the guy was touted so much, and except for the fortunate situation at Hockenheim he hasn't done much. granted, anyone would struggle in the renault #2 car and being in alonso's shadow but the guy should be doing more... |
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:01 pm
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| God Bless the Black Top* wrote: | | who've thought button x 2... lawls |
I always knew 
Waits for Banzai's witty remark
muahahahahahahahaha
PS No former British F1 driver was a snob.........and Hamilton does not belong in their league |
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 10:41 pm
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| MG Man wrote: | | God Bless the Black Top* wrote: | | who've thought button x 2... lawls |
I always knew
Waits for Banzai's witty remark
muahahahahahahahaha
PS No former British F1 driver was a snob.........and Hamilton does not belong in their league |
no witty remark...but you self said last yr that Button was a "button" when it came to driving....that put him in a prancing heeehaw car he cudnt do squat!!!...is you say that!! not me!!...
all British drivers are/were/will be snobs....ALL!... |
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:33 pm
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He's not that good a driver...and i'm sure you know that....you're just still experiencing the pseudobritish joy with yourself 
I'm hoping this diffuser crap gets sorted soon so we can see more even battles...
The RBR team is crazy strong this year though, considering they are the only top team not using it... |
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 12:13 am
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| BANzai Rastafarai wrote: | | MG Man wrote: | | God Bless the Black Top* wrote: | | who've thought button x 2... lawls |
I always knew
Waits for Banzai's witty remark
muahahahahahahahaha
PS No former British F1 driver was a snob.........and Hamilton does not belong in their league |
no witty remark...but you self said last yr that Button was a "button" when it came to driving....that put him in a prancing heeehaw car he cudnt do squat!!!...is you say that!! not me!!...
all British drivers are/were/will be snobs....ALL!... |
***scratches head............***
all pre-Lola@dex memories have gone all wonky |
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:18 am
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He's not that good a driver...and i'm sure you know that....you're just still experiencing the pseudobritish joy with yourself
I'm hoping this diffuser crap gets sorted soon so we can see more even battles...
The RBR team is crazy strong this year though, considering they are the only top team not using it... |
*jots down date and time of this post.....cuz IF it balances out..and Hammie ends up being a formidable force...then.....
yunno....ahh never mind (see's MG MAN's emo meter gettign red again...) |
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:27 am
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so is it pronounced emometer like thermometer?
or emo-meeeeeeeeeter? |
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Braun is a brilliant F1 engineer.
He gave Benetton the championship and Schumacher fis first when he was at benetton. They werent really a fancied team in those days.
Ferrari only started winning again when they bought over the Benetton car and team and its driver (Schumacher) and all their engineers, including Braun who were by the way....all British, not italian.
This current car was developed under the guidance of Braun during the last season.
Braun is the Angelo Dundee of racing.
And I still say Alonso is the best F1 driver in the world today, he is an muffler bearing yes...but in terms of all around ability, he is the best. You just have to find some old videos of him battling against Schumacher and you will see what I mean. His only weakness is juvenile temper, if he had the coolness of a Finn he would be almost perfect. |
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 11:39 am
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The possible exit from Formula One of Mercedes-Benz is back on the radar, amid the 'lie-gate' McLaren scandal and the collaboration's relatively poor start to the season.
The German broadcaster Sudwestrundfunk reports that, on Wednesday this week, a shareholder's meeting of the Mercedes parent Daimler is scheduled.
The carmaker is currently haemorrhaging a reported $1 billion per month, so drastic cost-saving measures - like capping executives pay - are believed to be on the agenda for the April 8 meeting.
At the same time, Mercedes-Benz Motorsport Vice President Norbert Haug in Malaysia last weekend said there could be no guarantees about the future of the Stuttgart based marque in F1.
"If you're asking me 'are we here for the next ten years?' then everybody who is honest, and I am honest, cannot give you an answer about how the world, the car industry, the economical surroundings will develop," he is quoted as saying by GP Week.
"I hope it changes.
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It's not easy for anybody but I hope it changes."
Haug was also asked about how the 'lie-gate' scandal together with McLaren's lack of competitiveness is complicating the decision.
The latest news on Monday is that the FIA is poised to summon McLaren Mercedes to the World Motor Sport Council to account for its behaviour over 'lie-gate'.
"Victories would be better than having discussions like these," the German admitted. "But we are clearly unhappy with the situation, as it is right now."
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Max Mosley has revealed plans for a "world engine" that in 2013 would be capable of powering FIA categories including Formula One, World Rally Championship and Formula Two.
On a visit last weekend to the rally of Portugal he said: "It would work in turbocharged form for F1 and then all the way down to naturally aspirated form for the lesser categories and in a turbocharged or naturally aspirated form for the World Rally Championship."
The FIA President said the planning phase of the project is in its ‘very early days’, with the car manufacturers to be involved.
In the case of F1, he said ‘peripheral areas’ of the engine will be open for development, including KERS and other energy recovery systems to be introduced.
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Asked for further information, he said energy could be collected not only from braking heat as at present, but "from exhausts and even from the cooling system."
Referring to the universal FIA engine, he added: "If we can - and I'm not sure we can - find a way of combining all forms of motor sport in that system then this would be useful because of the huge sums spent on motor sport."
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Pardon my "noobness" to F1 history but it seems (my recollection) the last big development coming out of F1 and finding its way onto domestic vehicles was VTEC and VVT. If KERS and "...exhausts and even from the cooling system" are fine tuned and developed in F1 i think these technologies would make vast difference in the efficiency, economy and green-appeal of domestic motor vehicles. |
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 1:25 pm
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^Well that depends on your definition of major...some may argue paddle shifters are major
Also the whole VTEC VVT etc arose from older technology, perhaps just made popular by F1...i think MG Man would know the history better...
KERS imho would be a major disaster on the roads unless they find a way to continually use it rather than give drivers a button to activate it...like a mini nitrous for some...
Fyi also, the single engine bit was an idea that's been thrown around for the last 3+ years...sicne they started enforcing the one engine per weekend rule, that was always the end goal to get to that state...
Merc also released a statement yday i believe it was, that they had no intentions of pulling out of F1 or stopping their supply...will certainly be interesting to see at what point they seriously slow down development of their engine and allow each customer team to really tinker with their engines because they can no longer afford to...
djaggs, agreed...but its also not that simple with regard to braWn (not braun  ) given that at Ferrari he had a huge budget and also some great characters around him, Jean Todt being the msot noticeable...he also had one of the greatest drivers ever in his car who could pull time out of his left butt cheek when necessary...
Also consider that he's had a huge jump on everyone but Toyota with regard to a completely redesigned car, and he has the use of the 'cheat' rear diffuser...Adrian Newey (from RBR) imho deserves more credit than this thusf ar this year... |
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:03 pm
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Hamilton's future 'in doubt'
Newspaper suggests champion may move on
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Anthony Hamilton is reportedly considering whether he should advise his son Lewis to leave McLaren.
In the wake of the 'liargate' scandal, which saw the near-tearful World Champion offer a grovelling public apology on Friday in Sepang after admitting he misled Australian GP stewards upon the instruction of McLaren's Sporting Director Dave Ryan, The Daily Mail claims that 'Hamilton's future with McLaren is on a knife-edge'.
'Hamilton Snr is understood to be pondering whether to turn his back on McLaren, the team who supported Lewis through the ranks at an estimated cost of £5million, and switch to rivals less prone to shooting themselves in the foot,' the newspaper reports.
'The biggest stumbling block to engineering an escape route concerns where to place Lewis.
'Ferrari are favourites, if he can wriggle out of his five-year contract worth £75m, but they are currently as slow as McLaren. He is into his second year of the deal but various get-out clauses could cut his stay short.'
he should go Renault lol! |
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 2:14 pm
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if is anyone to leave ferrari it'll be kimi 
not that he would mind it would appear..very laid back guy from all accounts. |
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Posted: Tue Apr 07, 2009 4:02 pm
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woa strong words there.
they are legal at least for the time being, so says the race stewards and so says the FIA president even Luca would not go so far as to say that they are illegal.
Brawn and co. may be getting by on a technicallity but they not cheating.
remember this from '05
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At Hockenheim, the mass damper was deemed by the FIA to be a moveable aerodynamic device due to the influence it had on the pitch attitude of the car, and hence, as a consequence, the performance of the aerodynamics.
The Stewards of the meeting deemed it legal, but the FIA appealed against that decision. Two weeks later, the FIA International Court of Appeal deemed the mass damper illegal.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuned_mass_damper
no one accused renault of cheating, and rightfully so they were just using technology to make their car better, and i think that is what F1 should be about |
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