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Greypatch 3NE 2NR Moderator
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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boi what is sad is this...
Look at the 2nd Graph.
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xtech 3NE2NR is my LIFE
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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Wey the exchange rate skyrocketed after independence after being at $1TT=$1USD for 100 years
| InDeForest wrote: | | Waaaays, man , this thread is actually depressing me, and I still wonder, how the ASS the british ever handed the keys over to williams. |
They saw this coming............wanted no part of it.
Would be cheaper to let us go than to try to contain it.  |
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d spike Street 2NR
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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"they dont teach local history...............we learn about Caribbean history then some spanish, french and english. "
Local history won't be taught in our schools as it will shatter many myths that the powers-that-be want us to keep on believing. If you check any secondary school history text, it will seem as though after Chacon handed over his sword, two fellahs named Cipriani and Butler made a stink, then a fellah named Williams made a speech in Woodford Square about putting down his bucket...
Slavery is always told from the point of view of Jamaica, Haiti and the Southern states of America, and a couple pics from Barbados (Slaves were treated very harshly there). Try and find out what really used to go on here. Life has been sweet in TnT for longer than most think.
Anything about Colonial T'dad was squashed out, it didn't exist anymore. Never wondered why the areas of land with excellent infrastructure laid out (roads, water mains, house sites) was left to grow over in bush and considered "agricultural land" (Wallers, Carlsen F, Chaguaramas)? Wallerfield was earmarked as the area to become the 'bread-basket' of T'dad, even though it is accepted as the second poorest arable soil in TnT...
Do you know that Trinis had a reputation for being eloquent in the Commonwealth? More than a few writers in the colonial period claimed our menfolk were not only better speakers, but more genteel! (times have changed...)
Nowhere in any text-book will you see our input into either of the two world wars. (because then it was British stuff, see, colonial duty and all that - not Trini...)
Albert Ball's wingman was a Trini - and an ace as well... Ulric Cross is STILL the highest decorated airman in the RAF...
"InDeForest wrote:
Waaaays, man , this thread is actually depressing me, and I still wonder, how the ASS the british ever handed the keys over to williams.
They saw this coming............wanted no part of it.
Would be cheaper to let us go than to try to contain it."
So true. Plus the fact that we (and others) were agitating against colonialism. It made the best sense, economically and diplomatically. |
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janfar Chronic TriniTuner
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| You know, at home i have the genuine copy of the document used for my great grandfathers indentureship. It states that he came here in 1850 or so and was 16 yrs of age. He came on the HMS Brenda and was brought to work on the Rivulet estate. Will try to scan and post that doc when i get home. |
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Greypatch 3NE 2NR Moderator
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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spike you have real ifo dwag.
Recommend some reading material for the patch nah |
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| ah find SR sticking... he supposed to have real stuff to contribute to this thread. |
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d spike Street 2NR
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Greypatch, pay a visit to GK's Aviation Museum in Chaguaramas - recommend that trip highly! Get a copy of his book about local aviation history (actual name escapes me, but I think it's "History of Aviation in T'dad"). Great book, easy reading. Did you know the airstrip in Galera, Toco (by the lighthouse) is the only airstrip in the world that has a bend in it? Not the landing strip itself, but the pilot must pull to one side to avoid the lighthouse!
A damaged bomber landed there, and the pilot was convinced (after repairs were done) that he could take off even though the runway was too short - he planned to use the drop off the cliff as extra time to build up speed! The plane was dismantled and taken by truck to Wallers...
You know of Torpedo Alley of the north coast... do you know that the greatest concentration of torpedoed ships in the war was there?
"Stories of Trinidad and St. Vincent in the Antilles" by Bertrand Cothonay. This collection of excerpts from a french priest's journal gives an interesting insight to life in TnT in the late 1800's. As far as the site of the Arena massace is concerned, by 1885, no one knew where it was. By the way, I was wrong about the number of murdered priests (I read "Spanish Trinidad" in my teens - too long ago). It was 3, not 4 as I had previously stated: 2 priests and a brother. One was remonstrating with an indian regarding the placing of a plank in the structure they were building as a church to replace the rough chapel they had. The indian knocked the priest in the head with it, killing him. The other priest saw what happened, and not realizing his fellow priest was dead, ran up to the indian and picked up where his friend left off, including the part about hitting holy men. A crowd was gathering by the time the priest was becoming aware that his friend wasn't just knocked down, and the indian gave him a similar treatment. The friar came out of the chapel, read the writing on the wall (or rather, the ground) and being a realist, ran back inside to make peace with his maker. The writer states that the indians heard him praying loudly for their souls, and dragged him outside, beat him to death, then threw his body alongside his fellows. the indians then threw out the wooden statues from inside the chapel, gouged out the eyes and hacked the statues up. When everyone calmed down, the indians met to decide what to do. It was during this meeting that the news of the governor's approach came. You know the rest... If you have a parent or grandparent who still has their school texts, look for this one, it's a gem - "Spanish Trinidad" by the Capuchins |
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I am learning a lot from this thread. Thanks. |
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d spike Street 2NR
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 11:22 pm Post subject: |
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| P.S. any of the books written by Anthony de Verteuil, e.g. "Sir Louis de Verteuil, his life and times, Trinidad 1800 - 1900" |
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| d spike, that's real good info there! |
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Maserati TriniTuner vip
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:54 am Post subject: |
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| d spike wrote: |
You know of Torpedo Alley of the north coast... do you know that the greatest concentration of torpedoed ships in the war was there?
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I've heard about this, but I've never turned up any info. online so it makes me question if it is indeed accurate.
Perhaps the military museum would have more info. regarding it. |
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d spike Street 2NR
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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"I've heard about this, but I've never turned up any info. online so it makes me question if it is indeed accurate."
The internet is great an' all, and I'm gonna let you finish, but books written by actual witnesses is the best of all time...
Seriously, lad, remember information is only put on the net for public access BY PEOPLE WHO WOULD LIKE SAID INFO TO BE KNOWN. You'll get a lot of info about healthy fruits grown in good ol' US of A, but try to find the health benefits of Cashima and Stinkin' Toe.
The fact is that good info about WWII has been detailed and recorded by that generation in the type of data used then. Only truth diggers n fanatics will put it up on the net. Yer can't find sumthin' if it ain't ther!
The museum and it's founder (and his book) will give you the info you're looking for. Good hunting! (go on a day that won't have crowds)
Another good book is "In and out of politics" by Errol Mahabir (I think). I don't know why the powers-that-be haven't burned all the copies of this book - I guess they figure their peons don't read.
Certain well-known historians write quite well, but when they aren't acquainted with all the facts they salt the food with a good pinch of fiction! This here is a public forum, so no names will be called... Just cross-reference your research with other accepted and CREDITED sources before you swallow what you find.  |
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject: |
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| huge contribution d spike, excellent info.. i think i will take another stop at the museum in chag.. |
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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My understanding-from what Ive read is that early in the campaign the Caribbean was the most lucrative area for the wolf packs- WRT tonnage sunk vs u boats lost.
I supposing this had to do with the fact that we were a bottle neck and the open (deep) water made ASW difficult
Kelshall wrote U Boat war in the Caribbean -Amazon had it and its really a great book.
Im reading it again so will post up stuff as I make my way through the book if you guys so inclined
Also as the war ebbed and flowed the activity changed accordingly- the stats could change with the time period in question
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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 2:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Redman wrote: | My understanding-from what Ive read is that early in the campaign the Caribbean was the most lucrative area for the wolf packs- WRT tonnage sunk vs u boats lost.
I supposing this had to do with the fact that we were a bottle neck and the open (deep) water made ASW difficult
Kelshall wrote U Boat war in the Caribbean -Amazon had it and its really a great book.
Im reading it again so will post up stuff as I make my way through the book if you guys so inclined
Also as the war ebbed and flowed the activity changed accordingly- the stats could change with the time period in question
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hmm http://www.amazon.com/U-Boa...oks&qid=1253296955&sr=8-1
may be worth getting
*edit* found it in the library by me, will borrow it |
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d spike Street 2NR
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"^not gettin the story on google boy MG i cant remember, was it ain a republic reader book? like the standard five one? i kinda wanna read it again now"
Don't believe everything you read in those RR books, otherwise you might end up thinking that Eric Williams was a great footballer and he came from a poor black family...  |
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"^not gettin the story on google boy MG i cant remember, was it ain a republic reader book? like the standard five one? i kinda wanna read it again now"
Don't believe everything you read in those RR books, otherwise you might end up thinking that Eric Williams was a great footballer and he came from a poor black family...
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| TOIZ WIT NOIZ wrote: | | Quote: |
"^not gettin the story on google boy MG i cant remember, was it ain a republic reader book? like the standard five one? i kinda wanna read it again now"
Don't believe everything you read in those RR books, otherwise you might end up thinking that Eric Williams was a great footballer and he came from a poor black family...
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d spike Street 2NR
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Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 12:33 am Post subject: |
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The statue of the Amerindian on the way to Santa Cruz behind San Juan (Santa Cruz Old Road, I think)...
The story I have been told is:
The Spanish settlers there were warned by a friendly amerindian about an impending attack. They then fled to the safety of the nearest garrison. After their return to the area, they erected a statue of the neighbourly indian.
Quite a nice tale, but is it true? If so, what were the chances of survival of the amerindian when his fellows linked the remarkable escape of the settlers to the coincidental resemblance of the statue to the said indian who visited the settlers? (Somebody mus' a collec' boutoo like it was goin out ah style...)
Seriously, has anyone ever looked closely at the supporting pillar? Neither the design nor the mortar work doesn't resemble (even closely) the style or structure of Spanish colonial towers. The "faux steeple" effect... (I is not ah arkeeteck, eh... buh whoever here is, take a look nah...) I would hazard a guess based on what scraps of info I have hoarded in a small corner of an empty head and say... that structure had to have been built after the 1920's.
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A Canadian sqadron was also stationed at Piarco during WWII... Didn't know that before
Reading "Port-of-Spain in a World at War 1939-1945" by M. Anthony
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Here's an amusing anecdote:
In 1941, the motor vehicles on the streets were causing concern. The problem was not so much the number of vehicles, but the accidents caused by careless driving. Towards the end of May, the traffic authorities introduced for the first time, the sign "Stop - Major Road Ahead", and they drew a yellow line at the junction of major roads.
There was a storm of protests. One motorist wrote, "Is it necessary for vehicles to come to a stop?" He declared that among the difficult problems were "the strain imposed on drivers and frequent renewal of brake linings"  |
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The general public in the United Kingdom and elsewhere is scarcely aware of the involvement of Caribbean crew in the airwar of 1940-1945.
In 1940, no so-called ‘men of colour’ could have joined the Royal Air Force; but by the end of the war in 1945, there were between 300 and 500 aircrew from the Caribbean out of a total of around six thousand volunteers who served during World War 2.
About seventy were commissioned and one hundred and three received decorations. Yet these facts are not generally known even to the present Black British population or even in the Caribbean.
Trinidadians in the RAF
There were 252 Trinidadians in the RAF during the war, 50 of whom died. they were known as the black squadron
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ATS, Piarco, Trinidad. 2nd Course - Standing: F.W. Farfan, K. Rostant, T.H. Meyer - Sitting: I. Bourne, R. Williams (instructor), Lieut. J.F. Carroll (chief instructor), W. Brown (ground engineer), J.D. Lenagan/Lennigan? (senior cadet)
George Lau
Squadron Leader - OBE, MIBM, MIPM, RAF
George Lau was born in Port of Spain, Trinidad on 7 May 1921. He was educated at Naparima and St Mary’s Colleges before being selected in 1941 by the Trinidad Air Training Scheme for Pilot training. He went on to volunteer for flying duties in the Royal Air Force in 1942, and after Elementary Flying Training in England and Canada, he graduated as an Air Navigator at the RCAF Station Edmonton, Alberta. He completed Operational Training on Hampden Torpedo bombers as well as Dakota DC 3 aircraft in early 1944, at No 32 OUT, Vancouver Island, British Columbia.
After a short spell at No. 45 North Atlantic Ferry Group at RCAF Dorval, Montreal, he flew out to the far east and joined No. 117 Squadron in mid 1944 on the India/Burma border flying DC 3 aircraft in the air supply dropping role against the Japanese. After completing an Operational Tour of 165 missions he was then posted in 1945 to No. 353 Squadron engaged in short range transport activities in the India/Burma/China area.
In 1946, he returned to England and joined No. 511 Squadron at RAF Lyneham flying York and Hastings aircraft on long range transport operations over the Middle East, East Africa and Far East. Whilst serving with No. 511 Squadron, he was specially selected and granted a Permanent Commission as a Flight Lieutenant in the Royal Air Force Flying Branch.
Also during his four(4) years tour with 511 Sqn, he flew operational sorties in the evacuation of prisoners of war from Singapore, the movement of families to and fro India and Pakistan during the Indian Independence hostilities support ops during the emergencies in Malaya and in Kenya, and the Berlin Airlift.
On the airlift, Sqn Ldr Lau flew over 200 missions between RAF Wunstorf, Hannover and RAF Gatow, Berlin, in the period July 48 to June 49.
Between 1951 and 1954, he was a Flight Commander and Instructor at No. 1 and No. 5 Air Navigation Schools. He then joined the Central Flying School, RAF Little Rissington as Adjutant and Staff Navigator.
This was followed in 1957 by courses on Night Fighters and as a Fighter Controller. His next post was in Cyprus on the Air Defence Staff and in 1958, he became Officer Commanding No. 280 Signals Unit, a Master Ground Controlled Interception Unit at RAF Akrotiri responsible for the island air defence during the Emergency. At the end of this appointment he was awarded the OBE.
In 1960, he commanded a Training Squadron at No. 2 Technical Training School. By 1962 he returned to flying duties as Seniors Operations Officer and Instructor at No. 230 Vulcan Operational Conversion Unit (OCU), after completing a series of courses on Canberra and Vulcan Bomber aircraft.
He next moved to Singapore when in 1965 he joined the Staff of the Air Officer Commanding No. 224 Group, RAF Seletar during the Indonesian/Malaysian Confrontation. On completion of this tour in 1967, he was posted back to England onto the Headquarters Staff of Bomber Command (later renamed Strike Command).
After a couple years at RAF Strike Command, Sqn Ldr Lau, at his own request, prematurely voluntarily retired from the Royal Air Force in order to pursue a second career in Industry. He joined Tate & Lyle PLC in 1969 and retired from that company in 1992, having served in Senior management appointments in the UK, West Indies and east Africa.
He now resides in England. He is married to Elaine Chan Sing, also a Trinidadian. They have 2 daughters – Susanne and Diane.
AIRCRAFT TYPE FLOWN
Tigermoth Anson Hampden
Dakota DC3 Beechcraft Liberator
Skymaster DC4 Wellington Sunderland
York Lancaster Oxford
Hastings Valetta Varsity
Meteor Shackleton Harvard
Vampire Brigand Marathon
Canberra Balliol Viscount
Valiant DC6 Pembroke
Vulcan Sycamore
PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS
Graduate Air Navigator
Graduate Specialist Navigator/Instructor
Qualified Fighter Controller
Graduate Admin Staff College
HND Business Studies (MBIM)
Diploma Personnel Management (MIPM)
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OBE
Walter Horace Short
136419 - Squadron Leader - Pilot - 181 Sqn - Typhoon - KIA
Volunteer Trinidad, trained at Piarco ETS. Shot down several times; was CO 181 Sqn, Typhoons. Killed at 1210hrs on 27 Dec 44 when his aircraft collided with another aircraft (Canadian pilot) while both were engaged in attacking ground targets during the Battle for Bastogne, in the area of St Vith. Both pilots were killed. Son of Walter Mayow Burgoyne Short, and of Clare Mary Short, of Paddington, London. Awarded DFC
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605470 - W.H.B. Short - Trinidad - attested 28.7.42 - P/O Pilot UK 26.1.43
136419 - A/S/L - F/L (w) - DFC 24.11.44 - commissioned 4.12.42 - missing, believed killed 27.12.44
Hugh D. Venebles
106029 - Squadron Leader - Pilot - RCAF - Boston - KIA on 9 April 1943
Volunteer Trinidad ETS, trained at Piarco 1st Course; flight commander 418 Sqn. Boston Intruder W8325 took off from RAF Ford at 2200hrs on 9 Apr 1943 for an operational sortie over the Melun-Bretigny area and failed to RTB. Later established that the Boston collided in mid-air with a german twin enginned night fighter. The Two aircraft crashed near St Andre airfield, Chapigny la Futelage, Eure, France. Both crews perished. DFC
Phillip Louis Ulric Cross
in uniform, as a young man, outside the family home in Port of Spain
Here is a photo of the legendary Squadron Leader (139 “Jamaica” Squadron) Phillip Louis Ulric Cross, DFC, DSO, of Trinidad. He later held the position of Chief Liaison Officer for Demobilization of all Colonial Forces, ably assisted by Jamaican born Flight Lieutenant Dudley Thompson. Squadron Leader Cross is alive at 91 after having served as a Judge in Ghana, Cameroon, Tanzania and Trinidad. Later he served as ambassador of Trinidad and Tobago to Germany, France, Norway and High Commissioner to the UK. Amazingly, he still writes opinion and is as lucid and aware as can be imagined.
Squadron Leader Philip Louis Ulric Cross, DSO, DFC (Trinidad & Tobago)
139 (Jamaica) Squadron RAF Bomber Command
Squadron Leader Ulric Cross was awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross (DFC) in 1944 for his gallantry during the Second World War. While serving as a Pilot Officer with 139 (Jamaica) Squadron, he participated in bombing attacks across occupied Europe. In 1945 he was also awarded the Distinguished Service Order (DSO) in recognition of his ‘fine example of keenness and devotion to duty’ and 'exceptional navigational ability'. Ulric Cross bombed the Germans 20 times in Berlin during World War II. He also survived 80 sorties as a fearless member of the Royal Air Force (RAF), landing seven times minus wheels, in a wooden, twin-engine Mosquito aircraft.
Phillip Louis Ulric Cross, DFC, DSO
World War II Royal Air Force Squadron Leader (139 “Jamaica Squadron”)
Excerpt of April 2008 interview of by Gabriel J. Christian – For King & Country (Irving Andre & Gabriel Christian)
After high school [at St. Mary’s Port of Spain], I worked for a while with the [Trinidad] government on the railroad. But by 1941, Britain stood alone. Dunkirk had been a defeat for Britain and Hitler had conquered all of Europe. The world was drowning in fascism and America was not yet in the war, so I decided to do something about it and volunteered to fight in the RAF. We took the ship Strathall for twelve days days, straight to Greenock. A lorry awaited us and took us straight into the uniform of the RAF and training. So from November 1941 to November 1942, I trained at Cranwell on the wireless, did meteorology, bomb aiming, navigation and Morse code. I graduated as a Pilot Officer and was assigned to Bomber Command
I served as a navigator in the Pathfinder section of 139 squadron; the famous “Jamaica Squadron” of the RAF. The pathfinders led the way on bombing raids and marked the target; a most dangerous task. Our unit flew the famous Mosquito bomber, which was made mainly of wood. Jamaica had paid for many of the planes of 139 squadron, hence the name. There was also a Trinidad Squadron, where Trinidad had paid for those planes. I was the only West Indian on my squadron.
I was lucky to have served at fixed pre war bases such as Marham, Wyton and Upwood. The fixed bases were more comfortable. There were many other temporary bases which had been scattered across the United Kingdom. I flew 30 missions over Germany and occupied Europe. After 30 missions one earns a rest and can divert to teaching other pilots etc. However, I was interested in continuing the mission. At 50 missions, they again asked me to take a rest. I declined and flew 80 missions over Germany and occupied Europe before the war ended. I did 22 missions over Berlin and made it through much flak; but one had to focus on the mission. My most harrowing mission was when one of the engines of our Mosquito fighter-bomber was shot up over Germany and we came down to 7,000 feet from 35,000 feet. We struggled back to England and crash landed in a quarry. It was a narrow escape but we made it out alive. The navigator is key, as we are the ones who tell the pilot how to get to and from the destination or target. I ended the war as a squadron leader and was then sent to the Colonial Office to act as liaison for all colonial forces. It was there that I was phoned and advised that I was awarded the DSO. A plane was sent for me and I was given the award and we had a party.
In all 250 Trinidadians flew in combat in the RAF during the war and 50 died in action. Many hundreds more, maybe more than a thousand, served with other West Indians, as ground crew. I knew the Jamaican Vincent Bunting; he was a fighter pilot and I believe he flew in the Battle of Britain. I met him in England. Julian Marryshow of Grenada was also a fighter pilot and he is still alive, I believe. Osborne Kelsick of Montserrat was a fighter pilot. I met Michael Manley of Jamaica in London, still in the uniform of the Royal Canadian Air Force and we became friends. Billy Strachan of Jamaica was a bomber pilot. Winston Racile and Gilbert Hubah came to England with me on the Strathall; they were both of East Indian origin and became RAF fighter pilots. Our Trinidadian contingent also had people of Indian, Chinese and European origin. I knew Dyrample of Dominica (Edward Scobie) and would meet him when we went down to London. Dudley Thompson of Jamaica was a flight officer and he was my assistant at the Colonial Office after the war.
Sergeant James
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Flight Sergeant James Hyde of San Juan, Trinidad, a Spitfire pilot who arrived in Britain in 1942 to begin his training, here pictured in 1944 with his Squadron’s mascot, a dog called ‘Dingo’. He is wearing a life jacket, known universally as a Mae West, and is holding an oxygen mask and his flying gloves. Most air battles took place at altitudes in excess of 15,000 feet (c. 5000 metres) and oxygen and thermal protection were vital
Trinidadian Airmen Who Gave Their Lives During The War
Name: ALEXANDER, KENNETH JOSEPH
Initials: K J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant (Obs.)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 156 Sqdn.
Age: 23
Date of Death: 07/07/1942
Service No: 1382705
Additional information: Son of Matthias and Louisa Alexander, of Port of Spain, Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Plot 62. Row C. Grave 4.
Cemetery: LORIENT (KERENTRECH) COMMUNAL CEMETERY
Name: ALFRED, JOSEPH MCKENZIE
Initials: J M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flight Sergeant (Air Bomber)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 75 Sqdn.
Age: 23
Date of Death: 26/02/1945
Service No: 1810280
Additional information: Son of Bertha Alfred, of Port of Spain, Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Grave 15516.
Cemetery: CAMBRIDGE CITY CEMETERY
Name: BRITTO, RAYMOND
Initials: R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Age: 25
Date of Death: 02/01/1943
Service No: 1803978
Additional information: Son of Santiaga Roberts, of Maraval Village, Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Plot 5. R.C. Row FFF. Grave 15.
Cemetery: CIRENCESTER CEMETERY
Name: BRYDEN, RICHARD ARTHUR
Initials: R A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Pilot Officer (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Age: 19
Date of Death: 04/05/1942
Service No: 119712
Additional information: Son of Capt. W. F. Bryden, M.C., and Flossie Bryden, of Port of Spain, Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. R. Grave 36.
Cemetery: ANNAN CEMETERY
Name: CHARLES, HILTON DAVID
Initials: H D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flight Sergeant
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 228 Sqdn.
Age: 26
Date of Death: 27/04/1945
Service No: 1810279
Additional information: Son of Albert Joseph and Mary Charles, of St. Joseph, Trinidad, West Indies.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 270.
Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL
Name: CIPRIANI, THOMAS MICHAEL
Initials: T M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flying Officer (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 126 Sqdn.
Age: 22
Date of Death: 22/11/1944
Service No: 154714
Additional information: Son of Michael and Daisy Cipriani, of Port of Spain, Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: I. A. 15.
Cemetery: SCHOONSELHOF CEMETERY
Name: FRASER, ALEXANDER DALGETY (SANDY)
Initials: A D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flying Officer (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 268 Sqdn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 27/05/1944
Service No: 135490
Additional information: Son of Dickson and Annie C. Fraser, of Port of Spain, Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Compt. T. Sq. 56. Grave 3.
Cemetery: FORFAR CEMETERY
Name: GILKES, LESLIE FRANCIS
Initials: L F
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 9 Sqdn.
Date of Death: 03/08/1943
Service No: 1810281
Additional information: Son of Joseph and Octavia Gilkes, of Siparia, Trinidad, West Indies.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 150.
Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL
Name: GRAHAM, AMBROSE ALEXANDER
Initials: A A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Warrant Officer (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Age: 24
Date of Death: 12/09/1944
Service No: 1391860
Additional information: Son of Ambrose Nathaniel and Francisca Graham, of Bpasso Piedpa, Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. D. Grave 7A.
Cemetery: HUCKNALL CEMETERY
Name: HYDE, JAMES JOSEPH
Initials: J J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Warrant Officer (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 132 Sqdn.
Age: 27
Date of Death: 25/09/1944
Service No: 1391841
Additional information: Son of Joseph and Millicent Hyde, of San Juan, Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 17. A. 7.
Cemetery: JONKERBOS WAR CEMETERY
Name: JOSEPH, COLLINS ALWYN
Initials: C A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Pilot Officer (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 130 Sqdn.
Age: 28
Date of Death: 31/12/1944
Service No: 182350
Additional information: Son of Elmie Joseph, of San Fernando, Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: VIII. B. 8.
Cemetery: HOTTON WAR CEMETERY
Name: KENNY, GERALD PATRICK
Initials: G P
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant (Air Gnr.)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 195 Sqdn.
Age: 37
Date of Death: 02/11/1944
Service No: 1835809
Additional information: Son of Dr. Thomas Bernard Kenny, M.D., and Cecile Kenny, of Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: XV. B. 7.
Cemetery: GROESBEEK CANADIAN WAR CEMETERY
Name: KERNAHAN, KENNETH IAN
Initials: K I
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Pilot Officer
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 12 Sqdn.
Age: 23
Date of Death: 28/05/1944
Service No: 172462
Additional information: Son of Harold Joseph Kernahan, and of Gladys Eugenie Kernahan, of Port of Spain, Trinidad, British West Indies.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 211.
Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL
Name: LOOKYAN, ULRIC LESLIE
Initials: U L
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flying Officer (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Age: 21
Date of Death: 14/01/1944
Service No: 136422
Additional information: Son of Joseph and Maud A. Lookyan, of Port of Spain, Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Sec. C. Row J. Grave 4.
Cemetery: HARROGATE (STONEFALL) CEMETERY
Name: McBRIDE, JAMES MCALLISTER
Initials: J M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flight Lieutenant (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 161 Sqdn.
Age: 25
Date of Death: 17/12/1943
Service No: 113888
Additional information: Son of Donald and Jean W. McBride, of Port of Spain, Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Square 115. C. of E. Plot. Grave 24.
Cemetery: CHICHESTER CEMETERY
Name: MERRY, DAVID
Initials: D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flying Officer
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Age: 21
Date of Death: 04/05/1944
Service No: 135135
Additional information: Son of the Venerable Francis Lee Merry, B.A. and Mary Graham Merry, of Port of Spain, Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Lot 7. Block F.
Cemetery: RED DEER CEMETERY
Name: NUNEZ, GEORGE ALBERT
Initials: G A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Pilot Officer
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 9 Sqdn.
Age: 32
Date of Death: 01/05/1943
Service No: 146436
Additional information: Son of Albert and Georgiana Nunez; husband of Olive Adella Nunez, of St. Joseph, Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 132.
Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL
Name: PHILIPPS, ROBIN GORDON
Initials: R G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flight Sergeant
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 183 Sqdn.
Age: 21
Date of Death: 28/01/1944
Service No: 1397461
Additional information: Son of Henry Browne Philipps and Marie Irene Philipps, of Port of Spain, Trinidad, British West Indies.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 221.
Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL
Name: RAWLINS, KENRICK WYVILLE
Initials: K W
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flying Officer
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 139 Sqdn.
Age: 27
Date of Death: 13/08/1943
Service No: 134366
Additional information: Son of Charles and Mary Rawlins, of Princes Town, Trinidad, West Indies.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 129.
Memorial: RUNNYMEDE MEMORIAL
Name: ROTHER, LOUIS ANTHONY
Initials: L A
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant (W.Op./Air Gnr.)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Age: 29
Date of Death: 25/10/1943
Service No: 1399303
Additional information: Son of Carl Robert and Emperatriz Rother, of Port of Spain, Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Grave 1240.
Cemetery: LOSSIEMOUTH BURIAL GROUND
Name: SMALL, CHARLES WALTER RANDOLPH
Initials: C W R
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sergeant (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Age: 20
Date of Death: 01/10/1944
Service No: 605558
Additional information: Son of Charles and Constance Small, of Cocorite, Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Block B. Lot 16a.
Cemetery: ARVIDA PROTESTANT CEMETERY
Name: URICH, GEORGE DAVE
Initials: G D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flight Lieutenant (Pilot)
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 18 Sqdn.
Age: 26
Date of Death: 16/05/1944
Service No: 132304
Additional information: Son of Herman Paul and Kathleen Elaine Urich, of Port of Spain, Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Coll. grave III. K. 17-18.
Cemetery: CASSINO WAR CEMETERY
Name: WILSON, JOHN DALTON
Initials: J D
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flying Officer
Regiment/Service: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 208 Sqdn.
Age: 22
Date of Death: 03/07/1943
Service No: 120659
Additional information: Son of John Wolseley Wilson and Gwladys Wilson, of Port of Spain, Trinidad.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 3. B. 9.
Cemetery: BEIRUT WAR CEMETERY
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cinco 30 pounds of Boost
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wow
thanks guys
how about sharing a list of books that we can look for that contain these beautiful nuggets of information about our history? |
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Greypatch 3NE 2NR Moderator
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respect xtech and spike..
will look for the books suggested.
all viewers on this page, registered and broswers please feel free to contribute
we need to learn and inform others of our rich history.
We also need some tobago history in this thread. |
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.:PROZAC:.. punchin NOS
Joined: 07 May 2003 Tech posts: 2970 Location: Mississauga,Ont. My 2NRide: Nissan Silvia Kouki
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I feel all the stuff I crammed at school is so pointless and wtered down now.
I don't know of any hidden bits but I know a little of where I grew up and how it got its name. Maybe you all know of how the place you live got its name.
Up to 1994 there were indentrured labourer barracks in the original condition in Barrackpore. They were bulldozed and the land claimed by whatever act it was for construction of a local Police Station.
I would go for driving practice on the runway in Clarke Road used by the Americans in WWI and all through the 'oil field road' from bpore to penal you can see the remains of what was once an immcualtely manitned Golf Course and club houses. |
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xtech 3NE2NR is my LIFE
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| there was also a huge Gulf Course in Bennet Village Santa Flora |
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SmokeyGTi I LUV THIS PLACE
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loving the mascot!
I supposed to see some indentureship documents from my in-laws soon, i'll try to get pics, i won't be able to scan them. |
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Yeo TriniTuner vip
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Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:43 pm Post subject: |
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| WOW! Lots of stuff I was not aware of.. Thank you for the info! |
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idlemind TriniTuner WHOoRE
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| buh i thought Yeo and Dragist used to pitch marble with some ah dem fellas |
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