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legacy_specB · Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 3:11 pm Post subject:

Aye fellars i have 3 Spec B rims for sale. Anybody want it let me know. I am selling them single as well so for those of you with a Spec B you can use them for you spare tyre. This is what the rims look like........

If anybody interested call me 468-4404

marcus8860 · Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject:

gawwd 3 rims is misery .... but what happened to the other ??

Flex030 · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 11:00 am Post subject:

Hey guys I saw a Audi S5 (350bhp) yesterday, I'm not a audi fan but that car look real cool boy.
Now BMW is my thing 335i, M3, 535i, M5......... Twisted Evil

Civic 2nr · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 12:55 pm Post subject:

^^ ah wonder if she go marry mih ?? Mr. Green

Flex030 · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject:

Civic 2nr, she real nice eh..... Something about her is seductive yet simple.

b18b_turbo · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 6:53 pm Post subject:

Redman · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject:

Put on the 2nd resonator today
BIIIg difference
Now I start back hearing the blasted center counsol rattling again.

Next step is the intercooler-
Im looking at whether a top mount or front mount is the way to go..any comments??

Later

marcus8860 · Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:31 pm Post subject:

Civic 2nr · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:41 am Post subject:

Civic 2nr · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 9:42 am Post subject:

b18b_turbo · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:00 am Post subject:

Flex030 · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:14 am Post subject:

b18b_turbo · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:36 am Post subject:

b18b_turbo · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 10:42 am Post subject:

Civic 2nr · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:37 pm Post subject:

Civic 2nr · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:39 pm Post subject:

orr and remember the perrin or avo cannot bolt on to our cars they neet to be modified as they are aimed at the USDM market and they have single scroll VF40 i believe , which means that the hot side of the intercooler cannot bolt on to our turbo.

RB25-DET · Street 2NR Joined: 03 Apr 2009 Tech posts: 67 My 2NRide:

i agree with marcus, colombia is de place homes

Redman, imo i would go with the front mounted intercooler resons being, the position of the stock intercooler is in a very bad spot ( at the top of the engine, remember heat radiates up, rite up in the intercooler ass)( Marcus dont get exited ), u dont really want ur intercooler limin in a hot place he wouldnt be able to do his work efficiently, so the next alternative is to put him in a spot where he could get the fresh air first infront everybody else, as for lag, the VF38 is so small there wouldnt be any more lag if any Mr. Green

Bacon · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:55 pm Post subject:

Contrary to popular belief.......

There is a Perrin TMIC that is a direct bolt up..........I came across 2 Local ones that have it installed (I think I posted pics of 1 earlier in this thread). The owners both said it was a direct bolt up....No modifications req'd.......

Flex030 · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 12:56 pm Post subject:

Civic 2nr, actually i saw a Perrin TMIC on a white legacy wagon and it fit perfect.

RB25-DET, I get your point and coming to think about it a FMIC would not be a bad idea after all. I would still go with a w/m kit for performance and safety... Wink

Bacon · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:05 pm Post subject:

Click for full-size.

I hope the owner don't mind ah borow he pic....... #stalker

b18b_turbo · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:37 pm Post subject:

Civic 2nr · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:28 pm Post subject:

bacon that pic of the engine bay is from a personal friend of mines. that intercooler was modified locally for it to fit , it is where i got my info from, i saw taht intercooler before , during and after the mod as i was there Wink

Civic 2nr · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:29 pm Post subject:

b18 i understand what you are saying but i wanted to go fmic and did all the research , for no turbo lag with the vf378 the oulet from the tubo dia has to be 1 .5 inches and the inlet to the tb has to be matched with 2.5 inches as that is the size of the tb. and still there would be considerable lag.

b18b_turbo · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 3:39 pm Post subject:

Civic 2nr · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 4:38 pm Post subject:

sorry vf38 Embarassed

typo......

Flex030 · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 5:25 pm Post subject:

Ok guys when u say lag thats a relative term but b18b i get your point and a valid one that is.
With the extra piping you would get some lag but by how much 200rpm vs a much cooler charge temp.... Neutral

Com'on guys the vf38 is a small turbo that spools very fast so when we say lag I'm thinking about a significant amount of lag (500rpm+). At the end of day you cah drive a turbo without lag better you buy a N/A...... Laughing

The best man to talk to about this is ole whore he has on a FMIC.

RB25-DET · Street 2NR Joined: 03 Apr 2009 Tech posts: 67 My 2NRide:

legacy_specB · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:12 pm Post subject:

I would go with the FMIC. With the right size of the piping and a proper tune the most lag you would experience is like Flex said about 200rpm at most. However once you get into boost the difference would be plain to see. After all an IC is only efficient when the car is moving and air is moving through the fins.

The FMIC would allow a less restricted flow of colder air than the TMIC would ever allow. Even if you use the zerosports scoop insert, the surface area of the TMIC does not change. But with the FMIC, the cooler ambient air cools a much greater area resulting in a cooler overall charge of air.

Cooler air means more more timing which means more power. And WMI kit is the way to go.

If anybody want meth let me know................. Twisted Evil

Civic 2nr · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject:

i understand the points but apart from that the stock legacy bumper restricts at least 60% of the airflow due to bumper design. i personally would love to have a fmic and i am still looking for one but the price perrin and those other manu charging is outrageous. for that money i can change the turbo intercooler and intake manifold and have money to drop in ah gallon ah c16.

b18b_turbo · Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject:

legacy_specB,

What you all do not get is that the size of ur FMIC is a HUGE factor. The big ones that you are obviously talking about gives more lag. Legacy_SpecB, you are wrong about the surface area not changing. The Perrin TMIC utilizes an area close to stock by carefully engineering alignment and angle of the fins, producing over 200% OEM Effective cooling surface area through an intercooler containing a very similar 'volume' to OEM. When i say volume, i mean volume per unit time passing throught the intercooler.This 'volume' accounts for air passing through faster than a big FMIC but still radiating the heat over a well increased surface area. In this case surface area is NOT measured as follows:

Area = Length x Breath ......

The area refferred to is area within the Intercooler that the intake air is in contact with and area of radiation with respect to the fins.

Another thing to note is that across these large FMICS, you actually lose boost. Some of the generic brands, you could lose up to 4psi from 20psi!! THe more high end ones, you would lose 1 psi or so....

As RB25-det rightly said, in Redman's case (A/T), boost does not get you off the line, torque does.

Just to note (I know redman is not building a 1/4 mile car) but getting off the line is probably the biggest part of a 1/4 mile race! So IMHO, to maximize the performance in THIS INSTANCE, the best bet would be aftermarket TMIC with an optional Water/Meth kit. He cant rev into boost to compensate for that lost boost and lag now can he? Even if you get of the line with that FMIC 200rpm later, that little b18c-R civic, still goin to wash you up Razz

or maybe even a b18b turbo Razz