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jm3
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:01 pm
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i join the suzuki following on monday,
when i pick up my brand new swift sport. This is my first suzuki im hoping the sport is as good as it seems. gonna be weird going back to a small car lol.
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azoturbo
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:51 pm
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well 100 whp u cant go wrong
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3stagevtec
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:40 am
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nice handling ride.. you wouldn't want a big car again! Wink
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BLUE_CP9A
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:36 am
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I just picked up mine Thursday, lots of fun
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chris1388
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Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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My 2NRide: Suzuki Ignis Sport

PostPosted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:47 am
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You will not regret it bro........the car is amazing, brakes, handling, acceleration, top speed in excess of 200kmph, looks, safety..........you really cant ask for anything more except ofcourse a spare tire !! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Knight1
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:24 pm
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^^ Laughing Laughing I'm surprised no one has tried fitting one in the boot area as yet (well on the forums anyways)
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jm3
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My 2NRide: Suzuki Swift Sport

PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 5:42 pm
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"well 100 whp u cant go wrong"

thought there 125 hp?[/quote]
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Knight1
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:28 pm
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Yes the engine makes 125 bhp....or "crank" hp. But there are losses when going to through the transmission / axles etc etc.

So at the wheels (or on a dyno), they put out about 100 whp.

Similarly, a 300 hp BMW 135i might put out only about 270 or so at the wheels (or 270 whp).
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chris1388
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:38 pm
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^^ correct, surprisingly enough tho knight1 the ignis sport showed much less losses through the drivetrain than the swift sports.....my car is rated at 107bhp and it put out 97whp.....compared to the swift sports that put out 103whp on the same dyno.
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Knight1
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 7:46 pm
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^^Were those cars auto or manual? Auto = more drivetrain loss to start with.

Well, from what I've read on the UK forums and the Swiftclubsg forums, the M15A in the HT81S pulls some timing on <98 RON octane...but not that much, so you guys still make close to the OEM spec-ed hp.

The M16A apparently pulls a little more timing supposedly as the engine / ECU is bit more sensitive to knock (not sure why....maybe the HT81 has a lower compression ratio???? Not sure), so the M16A's net bhp on 95RON may well be only 110-115...but definitely less than the 125 to start with....hence implying the lower than expected whp values.
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Humes
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 8:05 pm
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What color?
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jm3
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 18, 2009 9:40 pm
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black. nearly changed to white when i paid for it but there wasnt a white available for a few weeks lol
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Ignorant Ignis
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My 2NRide: Suzuki Ignis Sport

PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 12:18 am
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Knight1 wrote:
^^Were those cars auto or manual? Auto = more drivetrain loss to start with.

Well, from what I've read on the UK forums and the Swiftclubsg forums, the M15A in the HT81S pulls some timing on <98 RON octane...but not that much, so you guys still make close to the OEM spec-ed hp.

The M16A apparently pulls a little more timing supposedly as the engine / ECU is bit more sensitive to knock (not sure why....maybe the HT81 has a lower compression ratio???? Not sure), so the M16A's net bhp on 95RON may well be only 110-115...but definitely less than the 125 to start with....hence implying the lower than expected whp values.


same compresion ratio's ......doh study chris ...non of us own HT81S....we all have HV81S .......

Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

same everything except the ecu .... the jdm spec ignis (swift sport) sport is a whole different story
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blacktriple_s
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:56 am
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jm3 wrote:
black. nearly changed to white when i paid for it but there wasnt a white available for a few weeks lol


i got a black myself. white was the next best choice but trust me, a black ss looks immaculate (when clean of course).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 8:32 pm
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Ignorant Ignis wrote:
Knight1 wrote:
^^Were those cars auto or manual? Auto = more drivetrain loss to start with.

Well, from what I've read on the UK forums and the Swiftclubsg forums, the M15A in the HT81S pulls some timing on <98 RON octane...but not that much, so you guys still make close to the OEM spec-ed hp.

The M16A apparently pulls a little more timing supposedly as the engine / ECU is bit more sensitive to knock (not sure why....maybe the HT81 has a lower compression ratio???? Not sure), so the M16A's net bhp on 95RON may well be only 110-115...but definitely less than the 125 to start with....hence implying the lower than expected whp values.


same compresion ratio's ......doh study chris ...non of us own HT81S....we all have HV81S .......

Crying or Very sad Crying or Very sad

same everything except the ecu .... the jdm spec ignis (swift sport) sport is a whole different story



Orrrrrrr.........so wait......allyuh car detuned or something? The HT81S is supposed to be hardcore Shocked Maybe the HV's handle the lower octane a little better than the HT's?

The local series 2 SS's are about *that* close to a JDM spec "std" Swift Sport (remember they are sold in two trims in Japan....basic/std like what we get with red trim and manual air-con, and the Limited version with HID's, digital aircon, gray recaros).

There're only two versions of the series 2 SS's......the Export and JDM...both have slightly different rear bumpers (license plate recess). The local cars have the one off the JDM car Shocked
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chris1388
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:06 pm
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HT81S is rated at 115bhp while the cars that we all have here are HV81S.....which is slightly de-tuned to 107bhp. Ignorant......i never said we had Ht81S......
All the swift sports were manual and everyone was on 95octane. And the compression ratios are the same for HV81S, HT81S and the swift sports.....
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Knight1
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:15 pm
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^^Well then all that means is that the original theory on the SG forums is probably correct:

Knight1 wrote:
The M16A apparently pulls a little more timing supposedly as the engine / ECU is bit more sensitive to knock, so the M16A's net bhp on 95RON may well be only 110-115...but definitely less than the 125 to start with....hence implying the lower than expected whp values.
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BLUE_CP9A
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 9:25 pm
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jm3 I'm sure you're out enjoying the new car, let us know how its going.

I'm sure you'd like it!

We need to have a zuki event soon!
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Ignorant Ignis
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:06 pm
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Knight1 wrote:
^^Well then all that means is that the original theory on the SG forums is probably correct:

Knight1 wrote:
The M16A apparently pulls a little more timing supposedly as the engine / ECU is bit more sensitive to knock, so the M16A's net bhp on 95RON may well be only 110-115...but definitely less than the 125 to start with....hence implying the lower than expected whp values.


the swift sport had greater drive train losses due to more rotational mass.

bigger clutch, pressure plate and flywheel.
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Swifted
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:32 am
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^^^that's correct Ignorant.

And I say we try to organise another dyno day before years-end. This time, men should run NOS Racing Formula Octane booster!

...I'm chipped now (moar fuelz and RPM's!!!!!), it's a definately pulling harder, so let's see what the N/A G13B does to Garth's rollers! Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:03 am
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^^^that's correct Ignorant.

And I say we try to organise another dyno day before years-end. This time, men should run NOS Racing Formula Octane booster!

...I'm chipped now (moar fuelz and RPM's!!!!!), it's a definately pulling harder, so let's see what the N/A G13B does to Garth's rollers! Twisted Evil


got lots of work to do on the Ignis still ...accumulating parts till christmas and then start the rebuild in January. Very Happy
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azoturbo
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:48 am
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^^^that's correct Ignorant.

And I say we try to organise another dyno day before years-end. This time, men should run NOS Racing Formula Octane booster!

...I'm chipped now (moar fuelz and RPM's!!!!!), it's a definately pulling harder, so let's see what the N/A G13B does to Garth's rollers! Twisted Evil

im rebuilding so im gonna dyno before year end we go link up
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Ignorant Ignis
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:57 am
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call meh when allyuh going
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Swifted
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:03 pm
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you're rebuilding Ignorant? as in cracking open the engine too? Twisted Evil
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azoturbo
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you're rebuilding Ignorant? as in cracking open the engine too? Twisted Evil

i hope he iss he go be monster ignis not ignorant i hope i get 100whp dis time
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Ignorant Ignis
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:13 pm
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you're rebuilding Ignorant? as in cracking open the engine too? Twisted Evil


yep ......

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Ignorant Ignis
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azoturbo wrote:
Swifted wrote:
you're rebuilding Ignorant? as in cracking open the engine too? Twisted Evil

i hope he iss he go be monster ignis not ignorant i hope i get 100whp dis time


Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:19 pm
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Ignorant Ignis wrote:
Knight1 wrote:
^^Well then all that means is that the original theory on the SG forums is probably correct:

Knight1 wrote:
The M16A apparently pulls a little more timing supposedly as the engine / ECU is bit more sensitive to knock, so the M16A's net bhp on 95RON may well be only 110-115...but definitely less than the 125 to start with....hence implying the lower than expected whp values.


the swift sport had greater drive train losses due to more rotational mass.

bigger clutch, pressure plate and flywheel.



Hmmm.....makes sense! Lightweight JUN / R's racing flywheel for it then Wink
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Knight1 wrote:
Ignorant Ignis wrote:
Knight1 wrote:
^^Well then all that means is that the original theory on the SG forums is probably correct:

Knight1 wrote:
The M16A apparently pulls a little more timing supposedly as the engine / ECU is bit more sensitive to knock, so the M16A's net bhp on 95RON may well be only 110-115...but definitely less than the 125 to start with....hence implying the lower than expected whp values.


the swift sport had greater drive train losses due to more rotational mass.

bigger clutch, pressure plate and flywheel.



Hmmm.....makes sense! Lightweight JUN / R's racing flywheel for it then Wink


do your clutch and pressure plate one time .... heard the stock clutch start slipping with the lightweight flywheel
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I only plan to do that whenever my stock clutch bites the dust ......will keep that in mind.
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