I Have made my change to SQ! pic of final install inside.

[slacker_jack]

sorry

but imo carfreak1024 seems to be a tad bit confused as to what he is building.
I dont know of an sq system that shakes down the place like he describes plus he seems to be a bit confused as to what is low frequency (remember the enclousres he had tuned to 21hz only to find out later on that it was closer to 33hz).

[ChristianRD]

[pimptacular]

well we all know sum1 didnt get a pass in english for cxc

but carfreak u sure is sq u going for? or even heard a proper sq car?

[carfreak1024]

hey fellas the system is primarily an SQ system that can shake down the place when need be. I only shake down the place when meh padnas ask me to hear what is that they seeing in the trunk. And if you doubt that it is a 20hz note i am hearing you shouldnt, by the way the epicenter was used for that song to get that bass.

And to all those fellas who telling me i never knew what lows was before; have you ever used an epicenter? most songs have lows in them but some are just extraordinarily low. and that t-pain song is one of them, she got it, and birthday sex also get extremely low on my epicenter.

When i am listening to my music in the car the volume is always always low and i have an EQ set for just soundin nice and clean as well as the crossovers set at 63hz for the front and rear mids.

But when in school some fellas is always ask me to "show dem de pong" and so i took a day and made a separate crossover for that reason with the 6x9 playing louder than the front mids, and the crossover mids set to 200hz with a 24db slope. So i don't risk anything burning down on me. Also the epicenter is always on then and the mids is cracked all the way up. I personally hate how the mids sound like this too much like DJ speakers with no kinda midbass or depth just plain loud.

But anywayz if anyone wants to get a demo to tell me what frequency that bass sounds like to them then gi me a #, and a place to meet you near the saint joseph area and we could organize. I also would like some more help tuning the system a bit more for SQ, but kaizen told me he will help with that.

[jeff]

[X_Factor]

same here...i live 2mins from uwi

[slacker_jack]

carfreak1024, leme be curious as to ask what amp you using & what pair of subs tuned to what frequency you are using to 'shake down the place' @ 20hz.

I think I understand what you are trying to achieve - a nice clean system for in car listenin pleasure with the potential to get loud when you need it to (for usual rum shop & river lime). am I right?

If I am right all I can tell you is that it is difficult to achieve the best of both worlds. there will be strict gallery oriented systems to take the spotlight for the river / rum shop lime & you will have to adjust all your fine tuning for your music to sound good outside of the car.
sq wise, those 6x9's will throw off where your center point is. these systems are designed to sound like everything is comming from the front, they use a sub in the back just to compliment the mids in front so everything sounds balanced (I am not saying an sq system cannot get loud btw, it can get loud but not the kind of loud that you are referring to).
I dont know much about sq but thats a bit of what I gathered so far from the small demos I have got. take a listen to a strict sq oriented system & you will get a better understanding of what I am talking about. the cars that I have got demos from, the songs you refer to, thier door speakers reporduce most of those frequencies. the bass they are capable of producing you can barely hear, you feel it more than you hear it.
sq is not about just throwing in some comps on a door, buying some fancy equipment & connecting them together, its way more than that.

[slacker_jack]

look at that, you get 2 guys to gove you a demo & you can get demos of thier systems as well.

[carfreak1024]

alright jeff and x factor hit me some pm's and we can orgainze for tomorrow, where you workin jeff maybe after school i can come check you.

[carfreak1024]

also slacker i know my system has more holes than the roads in trinidad when it comes to SQ, but i really tryin to get this SQ thing, but these alpine decks rell hard to set. i thought my cda-9855 i had long ago woulda been similar to set but it was not at all it was totally different. But in my defense the gain on the 6x9 set to -12 right now, so they barely seeing any kinda power and dont overpower the front stage anymore.

[carfreak1024]

but i just can't figure out why you cannot have an SQ car with a gallary bassline kinda thing.

[slacker_jack]

[nareshseep]

someone said sq lime ?

[jeff]

i am in town and west, i am willing to demo anytime anyone wants
slacker where you located
carfreak your school is in the east?

[slacker_jack]

I'm loacted in port of spain during the week.

I dont have much spare time these days but I will try to work out something soon. I'll send you a pm sometime next week or give you a call tomorrow.

[(...Rovin...)]

i hope u dont feel is a fight down eh : ppl trying to help

im not a sq competitor or big sq man like others on here but from what i understand d concept in layman terms (dont laff at me if i cant describe it like a pro) its like ur sitting in d audience in a concert with a proper sound system & of course ur facing d stage where d performance\music is coming from : all d singers , musical instruments & speakers are on d front stage & not some of it on d stage & some down in d back behind to where u sitting .... everything is coming from in front u so in a car ppl try to do create d same scenario as sitting in d audience & everything coming from in front u .

For SQ u dont need a LOUD bassline (even though it cud be tuned how low & have epi etc) for ppl standing OUTside ur car to hear because it shud be designed to be listened to INside ur car while u sitting in d front seat ....

[slacker_jack]

carfreak1024, nobody is fighting you down & I hope you dont feel that way (as rovin mentioned)

me & you probably in the same boat, I like how the demo systems sounded but to me they all lacked the whole lot off bass that I love in my system (I am a bit of a basshead). I like my system loud & I love bass so I always thought it dosent fall within the sq bracket.....but then this guy came along:

http://www.mktrinievents.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=778

look at the amount of subs he has & look at what he scored on the meter.
rovin also did quite an impressive number on the meter with his system.

bear in mind competition settings might not be daily listening settings for all, you dont compeate with that glass shaking bassline but nobody is saying you cant have it & cant adjust the xover points on your comps to get loud.

[carfreak1024]

^^yeah dan do hstudy that, and JEFF my school is in diego martin where you located, if its anywhere close i could meet you there but i doh really like to drive in town boi too much jackass on the road there yes boi.

[carfreak1024]

but honestly i think something has gone awry in my system, i am not sure what it is yet but for some reason, my bass seems to come after the point that it should. I think its the epicenter not getting enough current. It is connected to the radio harness behind the deck. Thinkin if i should run a seperate power wire for it to the battery in the front or the one in the back. Also wondering if i should try and add an extra alt or some because my car gives rell bad starts on mornings, so maybe batts not being charged as well as they should be.

[SmokeyGTi]

man say he using epicentre in an sq setup yes...

my humble opnion is that if you haev a box built and tuned right, together with good midbass you don't need an epicentre.

the song "birthday sex" sounded like heaven in my car and my type-r was tuned @ 33hz just like your sub, there was never a need for an epi.

[DJ Q]

Sub's probably crossed too low while your mids are crossed to high.

That gap can cause the bass to sound delayed.

[silent_riot]

*Remembers a certain tuner using an epicenter for SQ competition on 4 Crossfire 10s in a hatch.

Personally, I used to have the loud bassline and stuff before and still found my system inadequate. Bu once I sorted out my midbass and got my midbass to sound as it should, I only used the sub to get the visceral feel needed to make the music sound lively and involving.

But imo, you don't need an epicenter for SQ, or even daily once you got your stuff installed properly. If its for streetbass, well then I can see the need for the epi.

[carfreak1024]

i know i don't need an epicenter to get lows, but i kinda like the epicenter sound. I mean i went through the whole shabang when it comes to bass, had the 4 12s in the expedition, had the 2 12 RE SE in my partner car when he used to drive me to school.

And now i have my 2 10".

I don't think my mids crossed too low now though because i just set it to full pass(well the alpine can't do fullpass, but i doubt those mids can do under 20hz because thats what i crossed them at. And it still sounds nice, upfront bass is really nice, But i have to say i really like the loud and low bass that the epicenter gives me.

Well next week when jeff and i meet i hope he can give me some tips as well as relay his views of my system to you guys. If i can only stop the sun from melting the glue that holds my tweets to the a pillar that would be great. Almost every day the damn hot glue melts and the tweets start to flail around on my dashboard. When i save up a little more cash i wanna but another pair of CDT tweets and put them in the center of the dash pointing outwards and put the pair i have now high up in the a pillar pointing to the others like done in the CDT cars i see on their website.

Of course that is after i deaden the doors.

I really need some help fine tuning this 5 band equalizer though. So if anyone wants to assist me in that feat that would be great. I actually have 2 EQTs in the back but i think ill leave those out, need an RTA for that.

[carfreak1024]

[slacker_jack]

you use an epicenter to get gallery bass

you scare me sometimes you know

& what do you mean you afraid to drive on the road? drive for you & for them, make the time to get a demo man.

[jeff]

my thoughts on carafreak's system...the on axis tweets didnt sound that bad but im sure for extended periods of time they will be ear fatiguing..

midrange slighty tinny, midbass missing but im sure with the "extreme deadening" about to take place im sure the midbass issue will be fixed and will give more "umph" to the lower end of the midrange. This is a perfect example for those who have their crossovers set all how, because a high pass is set at 40 on a speaker doesnt mean the speaker will be playing at 40.

As a matter of fact i estimate the speaker to be playing down to about 100.
This can be used as a great example as a "before" and "after" case, where after the deadening goes in we can listen to see what has changed.

Sub bass...wow... yes ppl those jbl subs drop VERY LOW..there are not many subs ive seen drop that low in a ported box...ported subs that i can recall that do this are the jls and the xxx....

I am not a great fan of the epicenter and with a little box re-design and it can be even lower and louder without the epi, but otherwise the sub bass is my highlight of this system.

Install integrity can do with a little work those wires are a little to exposed for my liking but otherwise this system has loads of potential!!

Cant wait to hear the improved install.
As you are now learning about car audio this will be a great opportunity to see how using the SAME equipment but changing factors in the install will make drastic improvements in your sound

[carfreak1024]

i dont know what kinda epicenter you using eh buddy, yuh must be a soundstream kinda thing.

And for a gallary setup you want your music to be heard around the car and far away, if you have an epicenter you are not going to get that you will hear nothing near the car at all, period.

And well jeff heard the system today and i heard his, and by far his sounds way better than mine i now know what sound quality is and how to get it. Jeff is also involved in dragonboat as i am so i think i will be seeing a good bit of him to ask him bout how to do stuff.

His front stage is amazing, i mean i never heard that kinda of sound from just 2 speakers so low in the car. His bass is low and rell deep, and his soundstage is like perfect.

AND HE HEARD THE BASS IN THAT T-PAIN SONG AND CONFIRMED IT IS SOMEWHERE IN THE 20HZ REGION FOR SURE, SO FOR ALL YOU GUYS SAYING I NEVER HEARD LOWS BEFORE AND NOW GETTING INTO LOW BASS TAKE YOUR TIME, IS NOT ONLY ME HEARING IT.

but jeff told me i have to deaden those doors, redo the install, and rebuild the box utilizing a port on the same axis as the woofer itself, he also didnt have any objection to my 6X9 in the backdash. But he as well as i did notice that due to installation issues my midbass was not as good as it can be.

[carfreak1024]

oops repost

[carfreak1024]

hey and remember that box tuned to somewhere around 35-37hz eh jeff. Imagine if i tune a little lower. I couldnt fit a longer port and was feeling lazy to go and find elbows.

But jeff you think if i redo the box to go with a slot port or another circle port.

[jeff]

i think what happened was the tpain song they are talking about is a different song and you are using the epi on it thus where the "artificial" subssonic content comes from.


dont study the box design yet
focus on the weak point of the system in the door installation first then we will all talk about everyone's fav topic sub box design