how good are the built in pioneer HU x-overs?

slacker_jack

are they good enough to do away with my current xover?

the current one has 2 pairs of inputs (for front & rear from the HU) & 3 pairs for output front, rear & sub (5v)

my new HU has front, rear & sub out, I have the x-over hooked up to the sub out from the deck for the time being (only getting 1v extra line drive as opposed to if I using the deck alone that has 4v).

will it make sense to do away with that x-over & use the deck alone?

I might consider gettin an x-over with 3 pair in & 3 pair out later on if anything.

kurpal_v2 · Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:14 pm Post subject:

what deck?

slacker_jack · Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:23 pm Post subject:

X_Factor · Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:26 pm Post subject:

those arnt 3 way xo

the reviews from the prs line is really good however

but the lower models, i wont use it if i have a good external XO

Firewall · Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:58 pm Post subject:

they good enough if you don't have a crossover, but not good enough to not use a good cross if you have it.

what kind of cross is it?

if you're just using the sub out into the cross for the line drive, the extra 1v doesn't make much difference.

why not use all the inputs since its already installed? that way you get a bit more control

(...Rovin...) · Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject:

slacker_jack,

what u heard today was without any external processing - deck str8 to amps ... Cool

Firewall · Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:36 pm Post subject:

(...Rovin...), what kinda deck u have homes? ent a PRS? how you could compare that to a 5100?

(...Rovin...) · Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:43 pm Post subject:

i only sell decks & dont really do installs so i dont have plenty experience with d 5100UB - have played around with it a little , does have some nice features for its price range

i have a 3 yr old premier 860 , never give any problems & if 1 day i feel to change it d 800prs wud be my choice for a current model hu unless something better comes along ....

Firewall · Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:45 pm Post subject:

(...Rovin...), you understand the point i'm making though.

even though its a 3yr old deck, it still if from the premier line and one of the higher models.

also the changes in the lower lines over the years have not been that groundbreaking, so in essence you still have a much better deck than his to be making that kinda of comparision

(...Rovin...) · Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject:

yes in all fairness at d time of mine it was d 2nd highest series , used to sell around $3000 - 960 was d top 1

his 5100UB is like d middle model in this yr's pioneer line up at almost 1\2 d price : $1575 in my thread ....

X_Factor · Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 6:39 am Post subject:

though the 5100UB and 6000UB are the only low models with a independant 7band graphic eq eh and trust me it does make a difference with the other models

all the others while may hav more features and functions they come with the lame normal 3 band, bass, mid, treble

ur deck has i believe 13bands eq,
3way xo where u can set the RCA's bass, mid, high
not to mention the 24bit burr brown business

slacker_jack · Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 8:45 am Post subject:

Pirate · Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:26 am Post subject:

The KX3 is a great X-Over though!
Very Happy

slacker_jack · Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 9:36 am Post subject:

viking1705 · Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:39 pm Post subject:

if daz the cross u hav then use it,besides the line drive u will get more control over your speakers the deck is good but not better than the cross.i hav a 780mp wit 16band eq and active 3way cross and still usin a external cross.that kicker cross is a very good cross it shud help keep your music alot cleaner

slacker_jack · Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:48 pm Post subject:

after I get the issue with the +tive wire sorted out i'll bypass the xover & see how much of a difference it makes.

anyone know of a resonably prices xover with front rear & sub input & front rear & sub output?
I looking at the clarion but too much to fiddle with on that, tuning might be an issue, less equipment = easier to tune. if push comes to shove I guess it will be the clarion but I am open to other options.

(...Rovin...) · Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2009 2:08 pm Post subject:

6xs...

slacker_jack · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:48 am Post subject:

xover on these decks not so hott, I run it straight to the amp & the bass sounds like the sub in a barrel. Confused

it sounds scrappy & more bang bang than boom boom, a lot of the smothness & lower frequency response missing.

I can no longer feel the bass more than I hear it, songs like gloria estafan's turn the beat around & madonna's like a prayer not sounding so hot anymore (alot of bass missing), flo rider elevator & danity kane's showstopper booming & rattling the whole car unlike before where the bass was less boomy & smoother, a bit more high frequency bass comes through to the sub.

SmokeyGTi · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:47 am Post subject:

the crossovers on the lower end pios decks don't have a steep enough slope especially for subwoofer application.

the highpass work alright though, tested it on stock speakers.

(...Rovin...) · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 11:10 am Post subject:

slacker_jack, u need a new bassline with a lower Fs & lower tuned box & then u will hear everything u missing ... Mr. Green

slacker_jack · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:13 pm Post subject:

^^^

you throwing talk for me Laughing

my sub have same fs as your's eh Wink

anyhow, problem solved, bassline back to being mostly felt.

problem: crappy bass

solution: clarion mcd 360 Cool

(...Rovin...) · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:34 pm Post subject:

oh crap u know i never noticed dat .... Embarassed

well then u need a new box then ... Mr. Green

might be able to mod that 1 4u 1 day when i have d time ...i not even bumping my thread & box jobs coming in & others waiting too ...

slacker_jack · Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 9:37 pm Post subject:

^^^

when you have time Laughing

how long now I have to bring something for you & buy my voltage meter & cant reach yet #Fade in

so much things I have to do & practically no time at all. Crying or Very sad

SmokeyGTi · Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:49 am Post subject:

the clarion is a real nice unit. best bang for the buck.

De Hero · Street 2NR Joined: 10 May 2006 Tech posts: 41 My 2NRide:

Per Spec sheet on FH P8000BT Pio Head Unit

HPF = 12db /octave

LPF = 18db/octave

No mention if it is link/reilly type

Some of the older AudioControl used a 18db/octave slope eg 2XS concert series.

carfreak1024 · Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject:

i know what yuh talkin bout slacker jack with the extra lowness in your bass missing, i experienced that mehself when using the pioneer crossover on my 6900. The crossover only goes down to like 63hz or is it 50hz, cannot really remember but my old deck the cda-9855 used to go down to 20hz. Not that i ever ran it that way for anything more than an experiment.

but i have alot of things to buy now like 2 MTX 7500, a monoblock ,and some other things. hopefully i can find someone as smart as myself to sell me an amp like the one i sold for the same price, maybe hard to do.