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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:41 pm
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jus want to find out wat is the best ting to use in my car .
its a libero wagon the doors cud take a 6inch and under the dash has cut out for 4 inch speakers as well and i was tinkin of buildin a pillar for the tweeter. Is that makin sense or jus go with a 2 way component set
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 1:52 pm
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your three speakers will be facing three separate directions which would be hard to tune,go with the 6 in the door and a 4 and a tweet in the a pillar (3 way comps) and you'll be ok.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:17 pm
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^^^why would it be hard to tune??
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 2:55 pm
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cus the 4 would be facing the seats and you'll be losing some of the tones that the other speakers would not have picked up or in lay man's term ,you would not be hearing the full tones of the 4 inch.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:05 pm
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cus the 4 would be facing the seats and you'll be losing some of the tones that the other speakers would not have picked up or in lay man's term ,you would not be hearing the full tones of the 4 inch.


i disagree.

no tones will be lost...as the speaker will still play whatever bandwidth the crossover allows.

now if the OP was interested in imageing,width,height etc, and you said that it MAY be a bit of a challenge to get those right, then i may be inclined a bit to lend support to that.

btw have you ever seen a 4" mounted on an A pillar locally?
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 3:30 pm
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to the OP, the simplest thing is to go with a QUALITY 2 way comp setup.

if you chose a more challenging route....a 3way kit with the midrange woofer mounted in the kickpanel would be the best option.

set ur budget and get the best in you price range, but keep in mind the 3way kit costs more...
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 4:50 pm
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yes I have seen and installed many comps in A pillars in TnT.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 5:14 pm
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yes I have seen and installed many comps in A pillars in TnT.


lewe see some pics na
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 8:42 pm
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I have no recent pics but I'll be putting DLS comps in a wingroad and I will post build pics.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 07, 2009 10:58 pm
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A-pillar tweets are a great idea Arrow
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i was getin the dls c36 3 piece com set cheap dats y i ask and i still confuse so any more input on this or shud i go 2 way
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:59 am
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what are you looking to get out of the system?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:59 am
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you have to know what you looking for in your system... as roger said eg. imaging, staging etc.. or large amounts of midbass or sub bass....try midrange kicks.....
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:13 am
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Audionutz wrote:
I have no recent pics


I'll settle for old pics. Let's see 'em
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:18 am
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basshead wrote:
i was getin the dls c36 3 piece com set cheap dats y i ask and i still confuse so any more input on this or shud i go 2 way


i have used this set in the past. for the price it is a great set. i have a brief review somewhere on this board.

go for it dude....tweet on the a pillar, midrange in the kick panel area, midbass on the lower door. the passive that come with the set is a pretty decent one and does what its supposed to do.

put about 75w on it and you will be set.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 7:20 am
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jeff wrote:
Audionutz wrote:
yes I have seen and installed many comps in A pillars in TnT.


lewe see some pics na


doh study them boy jeff..

they does come on the forum and lie!

based on his comments bout losing tones and such...i can tell that he has not done pillar comps...tweets maybe but definitely not 4" comps
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:10 pm
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one more ting if i using the 3way comp set up to the front do i still have to put a sub in d trunk
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 12:58 pm
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yes..it would defintely help.

the c36 based on my experience is most comfortable when high passed at about 63hz on at least a 12db slope....so you will need something to effectively fill the subbass region below that 60hz.

please post here if you have more questions. there are some other dls uses who can chime in with advise as well.
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ok will i sunday i will start my project i will post pics and i tink i will use one of the elemental designs 7inch woofer
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ok guy, looking forward to the build pics.

please do your research on proper custom kick panel construction, if you are headed in that direction for your midrange mounting location.
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elemental designs 7" woofer = sweet Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 08, 2009 9:19 pm
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would one 7" sub be enought?

i mean u will know that there is bass but would it be intense enough and give good subsonics?
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depends on the type of enclosure....go with the specs on the website it should work nice
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:57 am
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depends on the type of enclosure....go with the specs on the website it should work nice


they recommend a 1.5ft3 enclosure for a 15" on that site, do the specs on that site work good for the subs?
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for the 7" its like 0.5 ported...works great for me. i have 2 of them in a 1.0 cubic enclosure tuned to 30hz
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i got a mtx 5500 8inch instead goin and put it in a sealed enclousre and loudsound doin the A pillar for me i droped it today
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 12:19 am
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If you going with the 4" on the A-pillar chose your products very carefully. Will probably also have to install more than once to get the angle correct. Have had in 2 cars already, and I think it is very difficult to get right.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:39 am
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any pics or updates on this build??
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 9:14 pm
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roger wrote:
any pics or updates on this build??



What he said................

BTW Roger if you are researching 3 way fronts - any no go locations for a mid-range speaker ?

And if tweets are distant from mids how much is too much ?

Looking at tweets in sail panel and midrange next to midbass in lower front door location.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 22, 2009 7:19 am
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^^ well my experience has taught me to keep the midrange as far forward as possible (research pathlength differences)

with respect to the between the tweets and the mid range...it depends on the useable frequency response of the midrange.

i personally would not put a midrange in the lower part of a door.

personally i like my midranges mounted above the dash because i do not use an eq in my car.....so i tend to prefer A-pillar mounted mids. But be aware that this configuration has its inherent issues to overcome, and one must have a substantial amount of control over individual signal intensity and signal arrival time to safely pull it off.

kick mounted mids are usually easier to get right (again, research pathlength differences).

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