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speedfreak44
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 Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:48 pm
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my cuz get a engine n box h22a black top, and has a eg8 ... and what to fit this , the car currently has sir front suspension, and rear disc, and is manual.. d15bvtec
will it???
seeing on honda forums that the ac, power steering will not work/// is this tru
anyone around who did this??? |
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red_dragon
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:10 pm
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he will also need to upgrade his suspension and brakes
http://www.h22hybrid.20m.com/index.html
u can get everything to work ... once u get the correct mounting kit
only thing
have a friend with one in a Ek not much room to do anything |
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honda hoe
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Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:25 pm
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| tell him sell dat H22 an look for a B16 or B18 |
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reiXmann
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:27 am
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| honda hoe wrote: | | tell him sell dat H22 an look for a B16 or B18 |
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speedfreak44
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:45 am
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| red_dragon wrote: | he will also need to upgrade his suspension and brakes
http://www.h22hybrid.20m.com/index.html
u can get everything to work ... once u get the correct mounting kit
only thing
have a friend with one in a Ek not much room to do anything |
hmmm and the eg bay seem a lil smaller...
will look up more stuff... mount kits that seems to be good are hcp and hasport kits |
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reiXmann
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:53 am
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speedfreak44, you can get everything from hasport..including swap instructions
as red dragon said,the fitment is tight in the EG
pm N@h$R3K R@C!nG..he swapped a h22 in an EG hatch |
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pycho
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:26 am
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| perhaps you could be the first local tuner to build a H2B.... i.e. H22 or F20 engine... mated wid a b series gearbox... of course there will be some fabrications... |
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SUPAstarr
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:31 am
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| ^^ the only fabrication is ithe H2B adapter plater not so, but if you change the final drive you get the same gear ratios as the b series i believe... plus there are 3 h22 eg's around...jus so yuh kno |
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reiXmann
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:41 am
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| SUPAstarr wrote: | | ^^ the only fabrication is ithe H2B adapter plater not so, but if you change the final drive you get the same gear ratios as the b series i believe... plus there are 3 h22 eg's around...jus so yuh kno |
well,yes and no...but the H2B swap isn't worth it at all,really
the same money could be better spent on final drive + valvetrain mods |
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pycho
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 8:58 am
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| agree... its somewhat a shortcut for better performance without opening up ur motor... but as with every thing... once you have the money... do it right... what d hell just sell d thing n buy a k20a... |
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TK!
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:25 am
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| not many ppl would want to put an h22 in an eg.. too much work.. too much weight up front. dais a damn heavy engine. |
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honda hoe
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 10:33 am
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i'll say it again
H22 is not a performance engine
don't be fooled by the cc's
i've seen b16's wood h22's plenty times
locally eh
allyuh know i not a google racer |
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EL JEFE
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:18 am
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| honda hoe wrote: | | tell him sell dat H22 an look for a B16 or B18 |
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reiXmann
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:30 am
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| honda hoe wrote: | i'll say it again
H22 is not a performance engine
don't be fooled by the cc's
i've seen b16's wood h22's plenty times
locally eh
allyuh know i not a google racer |
None ever beat me
<Insert 'them wasn't good working b16' line here> |
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honda hoe
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:38 am
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| reiXmann wrote: | | honda hoe wrote: | i'll say it again
H22 is not a performance engine
don't be fooled by the cc's
i've seen b16's wood h22's plenty times
locally eh
allyuh know i not a google racer |
None ever beat me |
numerous ppl besides myself saw when kazim beat u
doh pretend it didn't happen
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reiXmann
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:44 am
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| honda hoe wrote: | | reiXmann wrote: | | honda hoe wrote: | i'll say it again
H22 is not a performance engine
don't be fooled by the cc's
i've seen b16's wood h22's plenty times
locally eh
allyuh know i not a google racer |
None ever beat me |
numerous ppl besides myself saw when kazim beat u
doh pretend it didn't happen
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That was the first time I ever drag raced. Even you admitted that I launch like sheit. The man only won by a car length,if so much. I find that yuh memory real convenient to forget what happened after . So gwan from here wid dem 1.6l ting  |
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honda hoe
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 11:51 am
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how lame dat wit 600cc advantage u still couldn't pass him back
u sounding like a certain es driver
stop toting 
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reiXmann
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 12:17 pm
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| honda hoe wrote: |
u sounding like a certain es driver
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but me eh delusional 
aye leave me outta allyuh Tobago love relationship please |
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SR
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:10 pm
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B18C>H22 in an eg hatch hands down unless you looking for straight line running
the weight of the H22 reduces the handling of the eg on the street as well as puts more stress on the suspension
and stock for stock the B18 will still out perform the H22 on the street |
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speedfreak44
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:20 pm
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| its abt 72 ponds heavier not so?? |
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reiXmann
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:09 pm
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| Its 35lbs heavier. I posted a link in the other thread that disputes the myth. The only factor thatll affect handling is the fact that the engine leans backwards :/ |
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Kinday
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:52 pm
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| SR wrote: | B18C>H22 in an eg hatch hands down unless you looking for straight line running
the weight of the H22 reduces the handling of the eg on the street as well as puts more stress on the suspension
and stock for stock the B18 will still out perform the H22 on the street |
Gotta agree with this. I always say it comes down to choosing the right engine for the chassis. The H22 is no slouch by any means but its not as robust as the B18CR. Given the EG chassis the B18C will prove to be the better all round combo. If it's just about straight line addiction well by all means go H22. Spend your money as aggressively as you drive and you can make 300+ all motor whp or the same whp with about 8lbs boost stock.
For those who're wondering, the H2B performs better than the straight H22 swap set up because of two main factors:
1) Better gearing and final drive
2) Better shifting gearbox
The true achilles heal of the H22 is the gearbox. It's a strong box that can take power but it has tall gears with a somewhat aggressive-ish final drive, which still proves Honda Hoe's point that the H22 wasn't set up as a serious competitor when compared to the B18CR. I guess must even be considered when reflecting on the general failure of popularity of the Prelude, among other things. Apart from that constant high rpm around 8000+rpm etc breaks down the synchros over time and soon enough you get shift issues in 3rd and 5th gear.
The H2B solves these issues as well as mounts the engine better into the engine bay using the complete H2B kit (mounts et al). It's not just a plate, though the plate can be used as a cheap fix. Combined with the B series 4.4 FD and better gear ratios, the H2B will beat the H22 out the hole and then some. It's not K20 performance by any means but it has been called the real alternative. Countless dynos and quarter miles have proven that the H2B combination makes power and runs similar times to the K20.
On that note....it's not very easy to make all motor power on the H22 when compared to the B or K series. Randomly bolting on parts DOES NOT work very well. The engine comes from Honda with a 102% VE and is already damn near maxxed out unlike the B18CR (112% VE), not close to max and showing uber gain potential. The main difference is torque. Again additional modding must be done very wisely or you can end up making a fool out of yourself and your pocket.
I do believe it could be about 40lbs heavier than a B series engine but I've heard it's as much as 70lbs too. Regardless it does make some negative difference in vehicle handling so learn as much as you can so that you don't find yourself complaining about issues you should have known about before you swap, including the infamous "Why am I still slow?".
Sorry for the length.  |
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EL JEFE
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:10 pm
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| The redtop might be 70 pounds heavier due to the additional weight of the ATTS. |
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DrunkenMaster16
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:28 pm
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| SR wrote: | B18C>H22 in an eg hatch hands down unless you looking for straight line running
the weight of the H22 reduces the handling of the eg on the street as well as puts more stress on the suspension
and stock for stock the B18 will still out perform the H22 on the street |
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You'll never see handling or many mods without plenty $$$ spent inside the block itself. |
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Samiir_Tuner
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:20 pm
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| if the man have the h22 already he could put it in and have a quick ride..i dont like the h22 but if he have it already it more convenient for him..btw to the guy who never got beat by a b16a, with the right bolt ons and a tune im sure it would run past u |
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pycho
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:34 pm
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| reiXmann like u forget i pass u 2.... hoe was in front den kazim followed by a stock b16a..... |
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reiXmann
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:40 pm
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| pycho wrote: | | reiXmann like u forget i pass u 2.... hoe was in front den kazim followed by a stock b16a..... |
wha?  |
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pycho
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:41 pm
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Guys guys remember we comparing stock engines here... b18c will out perform a h22... however built properly with optimum tuning to give you close to maximum potential of ur motor could result in the h22 being faster...
depends on how much money you gonna spend on internal mods... the question is.... is it worth it... b18c less effort, h22 more money n mods... n i am sure if done properly none of the k guys wont be able to come around... unless they have mods as well.... |
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reiXmann
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:44 pm
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i never argued that the b18c wont triumph against the h22 (stock for stock)..even a gsr
but if you comparing costs, the h22 will be the cheaper..the b18 just needs less work |
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pycho
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Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 6:50 pm
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true agree
| reiXmann wrote: | | pycho wrote: | | reiXmann like u forget i pass u 2.... hoe was in front den kazim followed by a stock b16a..... |
wha? |
d run after a tgi lime.... |
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