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FORZA_PRETTYBOY
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 Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 11:25 pm
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comparing same manufacturer,which would b most effective in dex-
14'' rotors non abs?? or
12'' rotors abs??
or does it all depend on the driver,also,C.Bourne's type R civic,was it abs/non abs??,& what's his status??
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Advil
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:15 am
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| abs is a luxury for daily driving |
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TRDcorolla
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:48 am
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i remember when i had the nze, every body use to say, ''yea boy the toyota abs wukking'' heard that a good few times........... never had abs though
FORZA_PRETTYBOY do a search i think there was a write up or something about brakes |
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FORZA_PRETTYBOY
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:47 pm
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| TRDcorolla wrote: | i remember when i had the nze, every body use to say, ''yea boy the toyota abs wukking'' heard that a good few times........... never had abs though
FORZA_PRETTYBOY do a search i think there was a write up or something about brakes |
i thought all nze's had abs!!,so ure saying that not having abs doesn't put u at a disadvantage???,btw wit d suzuki guys,are there any non abs cars(same PTW ratio) competing against d newer 'beasts' & holding their own??? |
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chris1388
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 4:50 pm
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| didn't quite understand your question WRT the suzuki guys.....can you rephrase? I honestly cant see how not having abs will help at dex.......my car has abs and well almost all the other cars trying to beat me in ESP don't have ABS and i think that it their downfall.... |
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MG Man
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 6:47 pm
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| chris1388 wrote: | | didn't quite understand your question WRT the suzuki guys.....can you rephrase? I honestly cant see how not having abs will help at dex.......my car has abs and well almost all the other cars trying to beat me in ESP don't have ABS and i think that it their downfall.... |
I disagree
If you can threshold brake properly you can brake as effectively as as with an ABS equipped car
The purpose of ABS is to prevent lockup under heavy braking, so that you don't skid / able to steer.........same can be accomplished with threshold braking
I can only speak for my car, in which case the issue is brakes that are inherently inefficient as compared to more modern cars......10' solid rotors and small brake pads with lining developed thirty years ago....and drums in the back with under-rated wheel cylinders.
PS I wasn't trying to beat anybody in ESP.....I was just fcuking around with the car.....didn't check tyre pressures, never bothered to fix the 4k rpm sputter....spent the day assuming I was running dead last  |
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nareshseep
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:05 pm
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| ^hmm thinks I should come and fight mg for last... lol |
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chris1388
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:55 pm
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| MG Man wrote: | | chris1388 wrote: | | didn't quite understand your question WRT the suzuki guys.....can you rephrase? I honestly cant see how not having abs will help at dex.......my car has abs and well almost all the other cars trying to beat me in ESP don't have ABS and i think that it their downfall.... |
I disagree
If you can threshold brake properly you can brake as effectively as as with an ABS equipped car
The purpose of ABS is to prevent lockup under heavy braking, so that you don't skid / able to steer.........same can be accomplished with threshold braking
I can only speak for my car, in which case the issue is brakes that are inherently inefficient as compared to more modern cars......10' solid rotors and small brake pads with lining developed thirty years ago....and drums in the back with under-rated wheel cylinders.
PS I wasn't trying to beat anybody in ESP.....I was just fcuking around with the car.....didn't check tyre pressures, never bothered to fix the 4k rpm sputter....spent the day assuming I was running dead last |
Ok kool... |
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FORZA_PRETTYBOY
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:27 pm
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| chris1388 wrote: | | didn't quite understand your question WRT the suzuki guys.....can you rephrase? I honestly cant see how not having abs will help at dex.......my car has abs and well almost all the other cars trying to beat me in ESP don't have ABS and i think that it their downfall.... |
so 4 d same PTW ratio,ure better because of ure abs advantage??,& d cars ure competing against wit abs,it's down 2 driver's skill??? |
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FORZA_PRETTYBOY
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:34 pm
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| MG Man wrote: | | chris1388 wrote: | | didn't quite understand your question WRT the suzuki guys.....can you rephrase? I honestly cant see how not having abs will help at dex.......my car has abs and well almost all the other cars trying to beat me in ESP don't have ABS and i think that it their downfall.... |
I disagree
If you can threshold brake properly you can brake as effectively as as with an ABS equipped car
The purpose of ABS is to prevent lockup under heavy braking, so that you don't skid / able to steer.........same can be accomplished with threshold braking
I can only speak for my car, in which case the issue is brakes that are inherently inefficient as compared to more modern cars......10' solid rotors and small brake pads with lining developed thirty years ago....and drums in the back with under-rated wheel cylinders.
PS I wasn't trying to beat anybody in ESP.....I was just fcuking around with the car.....didn't check tyre pressures, never bothered to fix the 4k rpm sputter....spent the day assuming I was running dead last |
Then if a driver in dex can threshold brake with a larger rotor,he's not at a disadvantage 2 another who has abs??? |
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FORZA_PRETTYBOY
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Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:37 pm
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| MG Man wrote: | | chris1388 wrote: | | didn't quite understand your question WRT the suzuki guys.....can you rephrase? I honestly cant see how not having abs will help at dex.......my car has abs and well almost all the other cars trying to beat me in ESP don't have ABS and i think that it their downfall.... |
I disagree
If you can threshold brake properly you can brake as effectively as as with an ABS equipped car
The purpose of ABS is to prevent lockup under heavy braking, so that you don't skid / able to steer.........same can be accomplished with threshold braking
I can only speak for my car, in which case the issue is brakes that are inherently inefficient as compared to more modern cars......10' solid rotors and small brake pads with lining developed thirty years ago....and drums in the back with under-rated wheel cylinders.
PS I wasn't trying to beat anybody in ESP.....I was just fcuking around with the car.....didn't check tyre pressures, never bothered to fix the 4k rpm sputter....spent the day assuming I was running dead last |
then,if a driver can threshold brake with a larger rotor,he's not at a disadvantage 2 another with abs??? |
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MG Man
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:15 am
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nope
but it takes tons of practice......... |
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saltydog
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:15 am
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| Abs is for people who cant drive, sorry but i rather be in control than rely on the abs. |
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_moti_
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:59 am
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but saltydog, ent your car has ABS  |
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Ignorant Ignis
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:20 am
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my ABS doh ever come on in solodex ......
i think a good set of pads is all you need ..... ABS is neither here nor their for dex
on the circuit with faster speeds i would not want abs though |
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crazybalhead
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:37 am
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My civic had no ABS and that was fine, the evo's have ABS adn that's fine too.
Really depends on your vehicle and driving style.
I USE the ABS on the EVO though. Especially in the finish box.
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honda hoe
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 1:53 pm
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| i agree wit CBH wrt the finish box |
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Ignorant Ignis
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:01 pm
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| honda hoe wrote: | | i agree wit CBH wrt the finish box |
^^^^your problem is NEXEN tires .... not brakes |
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honda hoe
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:05 pm
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thx for the clarification ignis
considering i have direzzas on my car  |
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_moti_
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 2:23 pm
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| he just accustomed to seeing civics with nexens |
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