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spam 3NE2NR is my LIFE
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:07 am Post subject: CURRENT ISSUES PLEASE ADVISE |
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now my system consist of 5 amps
bass is about 320amps
and mids is 180amps
i have 2 110 alternators
and 5 kinetik 12/16 volt batteries
wit the car off my voltage is about 12.5 and wit it on it is about 13.8
when my bass hits it goes from 13.8 straight down to between 11.8 - 12.3
also the allternator starts spinning slower as if all the current is being
sucked out
is there a way i can atleast keep the voltage out of the 11 range?
would more batteries help? would bigger alternators help?
no i have not done BIG 3 yet **casper stickin**
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3stagevtec punchin NOS
Joined: 12 Jul 2006 Tech posts: 4797 Location: killing two stones with one bird... My 2NRide: Suzuki Grand Vitara
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:30 am Post subject: Re: CURRENT ISSUES PLEASE ADVISE |
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| spam wrote: | wit the car off my voltage is about 12.5 and wit it on it is about 13.8
when my bass hits it goes from 13.8 straight down to between 11.8 - 12.3
also the allternator starts spinning slower as if all the current is being
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what rpm does your engine be turning at for the voltage to drop to 11.8 - 12.3V?? usually at least 1600rpm would be required for those alts to start producing some decent power.. |
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spam 3NE2NR is my LIFE
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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i know it is over 1rpm but not sure if it is up to 1.6
it is normal cefiero alternators
so a higher rpm should help the voltage?
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3stagevtec punchin NOS
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:28 pm Post subject: |
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| you will get quite alot more output at 2000 engine rpm vs 1000 engine rpm.. i'd suggest idling your engine higher while playing.. try between 1500 - 2000rpm while playing all out.. |
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spam 3NE2NR is my LIFE
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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ok i will check that today and see what happens
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(...Rovin...) 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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will cost u some gas $ to do be playing at a higher engine rpm
might be better to invest in a nice 350A HO alt from 1 of those companies in d usa (might cost around us$500-600) so u will be getting d full output from ur amps & wont have any more current problems especially for long gallery playing ... |
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DJ Q 18 pounds of Boost
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| ^but usually you can't do highway driving with those |
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basshead Street 2NR
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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this tuner noyztoyz
will be stock soon
300 amp alternator made for use in daily driver vehicles, 300amps at only 2000rpm, not no 5000rpm+ like other brands. You could race to 6000rpm on the highway and it wont damage it. Comes with external voltage regulator for 13-20volts so you could turn it up when is time to crank and lower it down when yuh resting, also can be used on a 16v battery bank.
Best deal on a alternator you can get. Is universal fit so you will have to get a small bracket made, i took 30 mins to make mine, one a dis 300amp alternator in use in a daily vehicle is on demo in my vehicle.
Put the best, the extra money you spend on this will save u money on your battery bank. U will also get a guarantee against failure.
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fuzz_174 Riding on 16's
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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^^
What price u paid? |
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noyztoyz 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| basshead wrote: | this tuner noyztoyz
will be stock soon
300 amp alternator made for use in daily driver vehicles, 300amps at only 2000rpm, not no 5000rpm+ like other brands. You could race to 6000rpm on the highway and it wont damage it. Comes with external voltage regulator for 13-20volts so you could turn it up when is time to crank and lower it down when yuh resting, also can be used on a 16v battery bank.
Best deal on a alternator you can get. Is universal fit so you will have to get a small bracket made, i took 30 mins to make mine, one a dis 300amp alternator in use in a daily vehicle is on demo in my vehicle.
Put the best, the extra money you spend on this will save u money on your battery bank. U will also get a guarantee against failure.
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is tru, yall could come check me when my sytem all hooked up and see how it keeps up voltage and i does drive it all day long.
The newer alts out of the states rated 300 amps are built for this purpose.
I sell them with external regulators, so when you hit the highway, turn your voltage down to 13.0 and drive how hard you want..
Mine is there almost 1 month now.. |
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noyztoyz 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| spam wrote: | i know it is over 1rpm but not sure if it is up to 1.6
it is normal cefiero alternators
so a higher rpm should help the voltage?
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sit down and rev your car to 3000 rpm then crank your music and see how much higher your current sits at.
Then you would know if u need more alternators. |
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kurpal_v2 TriniTuner WHOoRE
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:32 pm Post subject: |
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| 2000rpm safer bro^^^ |
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riadb 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:07 pm Post subject: Re: CURRENT ISSUES PLEASE ADVISE |
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| spam wrote: | now my system consist of 5 amps
bass is about 320amps
and mids is 180amps
i have 2 110 alternators
and 5 kinetik 12/16 volt batteries
wit the car off my voltage is about 12.5 and wit it on it is about 13.8
when my bass hits it goes from 13.8 straight down to between 11.8 - 12.3
also the allternator starts spinning slower as if all the current is being
sucked out
is there a way i can atleast keep the voltage out of the 11 range?
would more batteries help? would bigger alternators help?
no i have not done BIG 3 yet **casper stickin**
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ALLL DAT CURRENT DRAW AND U EH DO A BIG 3 AS YET!!!!!
and yes....i am shouting!!!
stop stickin na dred....daz de 1st thing you shoulda do!!!
if dat doh help i would go with Rovin's idea and buy a good HO alternator with a daily driving rotor and external voltage regulator so u could make highway runs with it.
btw can you charge a 12/16V dual pole battery with 13.8V???? |
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spam 3NE2NR is my LIFE
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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well at higher rpm the voltage sittin nice and not reachin the 11 range
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noyztoyz 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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good now you know that rpms are the problem. but what voltage did it settle at now?
D your big 3 first and thec come for more solutions  |
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spam 3NE2NR is my LIFE
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 5:41 am Post subject: |
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wit misic loud it droppin to like 12.3-12.6
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DJ Q 18 pounds of Boost
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 8:41 am Post subject: |
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| that's ok -ish |
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Chiney punchin NOS
Joined: 03 Apr 2005 Tech posts: 3060 Location: Maracas,St.Joseph My 2NRide: Nissan Wingroad
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 9:04 am Post subject: |
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more than ok-ish
for the current draw he speaks of, and know how gallery men is lash out their systems.. hes pretty ok not goin below 12v.
u did the big 3 yet? |
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Lance TriniTuner WHOoRE
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 10:47 am Post subject: |
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My question is how are you currently charging the batteries?
I not too familiar with the 12/16V batteries,
But i am guessing you need to charge the batteries as you would any 16V battery (optimally 18V), and the battery would then output a 12V through its 3rd pole is needed.
So are you currently charging 16V batteries with a 12/14.4V alternator? |
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theblitz Chronic TriniTuner
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I just now saw this thread and the big 3 shud have NOT been neglected and what Lance said. From the alternators he's using I'm assuming he's charging at ~13.8V |
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Chiney punchin NOS
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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^ and if thats the case...well the batteries wont even charge back good ... can end up causing more in the long run..
even if casper sticking with the big 3, u shuda stick with your system, .... as its always mentioned and its 100% true.. a system that big bro, shud have the current to back it up b4 u even think of jamming it out... |
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theblitz Chronic TriniTuner
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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buh spam u cud do the big 3 urself...... it will help considerably together with your increasing idle speed. Its not hard. Were you planning on going full 16V system with those batteries? Please say none of your 16V compatible amps are currently connected to the 16V poles  |
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spam 3NE2NR is my LIFE
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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so wat alyuh sayin is that even if i usin the 12 volt part of the batteries i have to charge them wit 16 - 18 volts ?
alyuh sure bout that ?
cuz how i see it is if i hooked up to the 12v plates and givin it 16 - 18v that not soundin right at all.
ah man tellin me put a cap and it would make a big difference and put less strain on the alternator.
anybody have a 5 - 15 farad cap i could borrow to prove a point ?
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Chiney punchin NOS
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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doe ur big 3 do ur big 3 do ur big 3
borrow the cap after |
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casper 12 pounds of Boost
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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ur problem with low voltage is caused when ur bass comes in...so a cap might help a bit...it will give u the extra burst of current for when the bass hit and hopefully might stabilize the voltage a lil better till the bassline rests and gives the batteries and cap a breather to start back recharging again...
u wont see any drastic change with the cap but it might more help stabilize the voltage....not raise it...if u getting a cap...get a respected brand like tsunami or somn...i dont really trust the stingers and soundstreams much |
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noyztoyz 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| how come you manage to put 2 cifero 12 volt alternators and 16 volt batteries? |
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spam 3NE2NR is my LIFE
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:39 am Post subject: |
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the batteries are 12/16 volts
you can use any one
i was planning to run 16v on bass and 12 for the mids and car but decided to run the 12 right tru
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DJ Q 18 pounds of Boost
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:19 am Post subject: |
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big 3
big 3
big 3 |
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Chiney punchin NOS
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:21 am Post subject: |
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so why are we forgetting the baics???  |
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3stagevtec punchin NOS
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:38 am Post subject: |
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| spam wrote: | so wat alyuh sayin is that even if i usin the 12 volt part of the batteries i have to charge them wit 16 - 18 volts ?
alyuh sure bout that ?
cuz how i see it is if i hooked up to the 12v plates and givin it 16 - 18v that not soundin right at all.
ah man tellin me put a cap and it would make a big difference and put less strain on the alternator.
anybody have a 5 - 15 farad cap i could borrow to prove a point ?
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this is how i understand it.. you need to send about 18V to the 16V terminals of your 12/16V battery to properly charge ALL cells..
if you only have the 12V section connected, then the cells that make up the 12V section will charge / operate properly.. BUT the extra cells that add up to the 16V will get run down / eventually damage..
those batteries are made up of 2V cells i believe (i could be wrong)
so 6 2V cells in series will give you a 12V battery.. and add another 2 2V cells in series will make the 16V section..
a capacitor is only a temporary energy storage device.. it has to collect energy from your electrical system first before it can be of any assistance.. in that sense, it will not ease the load on your alternators..
because of its fast discharge capability, it will help abit on the heavy bass notes.. but if you think about it, spend that same money on an extra battery and you will get ALOT more energy storage that will help greatly with long term play.. also, batteries produce energy through chemical reactions, a capacitor cannot do that.. |
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