Chaguanas SSS running on 30th August, Fire works for so....

[fiveforward]

Chaguanas event as a crowd pleaser and and to hype up our sport. It is my personal view that trying to turn certain roads into championship race courses by our local standards is a lot more difficult than people may wish to admit. Everyone wants a place to race but lets not get too carried away.

^^ no disrespect but i think we SHOULD get carried away. In many other countries there are road courses that double as circuit/ drag or drift tracks and these are documented legitimate events

Las Vegas Sunset Strip - Drag Racing
Streets of London England - F1
Streets of Long Beach Cali- Formula D
San Fernando, Trinidad - Circuit
Rally Barbados - almost 50%....okay maybe 40% (cuz i couldn't be EVERYWHERE) is on the nations roads
Rally Jamaica.........
and the list goes on

My thing is that whether a "track" is there or not - Street events provide a different level of excitement & intimacy that a "track" will NEVER provide and that's fact. Whilst your view of the special stage being a promo stunt for "RALLY" and it only accounted for 10% of the RT09 Event; the fact remains that you guys did do it and i didn't see you having n e objection when you ran the course - hell it seemed that you had a very good time.

I think sir, once again with all due respect YOU are missing the point. Whether or not we get a proper race track, street events will always be more fun and have more energy to it.

The problem with rally in Trinidad is that it's still a small thing with few cars; it isn't THAT mainstream; it isn't a grassroots sport and not much people can relate to it. Drags on the cross is have more people than a rally event.......(yes i can prove it)

You say immense logistical co-ordination, well that's only true because you guys don't have that much manpower; honestly you don't. Finding a way to get MORE people involved is simple, appeal to them on a level that they can understand and having street events, with "NORMAL" street cars can do that. In the VK event more people reacted to when Kerry drifted around the round about than when the rally/ circuit/ dex men did it.

Yes I know marketing VERY well.

And just to prove my point about manpower pool here; if Yancy Supra and Aaron R32 came to race there will be 500+ people coming to support each party that's 1000+ people. 10% of them will be more than willing to be marshals since they will now be directly involved with a hyped about car and a hyped about event.

if Ainsley Lochan and Barry Mc Kenzie came out to race, besides a pit crew, rally die hards, some bajans, and a few trinituner men. I know for a fact that you not pulling those kinda of figures. (And YES i can prove this as well)

Your simple point was "let us not get carried away with trying to race everywhere.", well technically; you rally guys do it, whether or not is cane road, through a village in Chaguanas or on the streets OF Chaguanas. And I know if given the opportunity you will race thru the streets of Port of Spain as well PROVIDING that everything is contained and safety is paramount for EVERYBODY (racers & spectators)

Whether it happens or not, i just want people to be OPEN MINDED to the idea that it is a good idea that need proper planning and a plenty elbow grease - but a good idea none the less.

But what do I know..................................

[horsepwrjunki]

but robbie.. the rds are a viable alternative to a track look at the number of international events that are held on public roads.. of course with co ordination that is unheard of in trinidad but we have the potential to do it.. imagine for 4 hrs the properly surfaced QPS becomes a track one sunday afternoon.. or.. the same chaguanas stage ... think about the potential from having TTRC stage such an event this year that if the discipline in not kept but improved upon.. then where can it reach?.. a gravel/tarmac event 2 maybe 3 days...

[rcadiz]

Look its obvious that people keep misunderstanding my points. So i am leaving this post alone. At the end of the day it seems that this is the deal:

- Rally doesn't attract the numbers as other motorsports
- Drags rule
- Rally drivers have an air of superiority
- The TTRC excludes and alienates
- The TTRC is a cocky bunch of people
- Rally is not grassroots and will never be as popular as drags on the cross

HMMMM....A little harsh eh? yeah thats exactly what i thought when i read it to.

The funny thing is the TTRC never had any unfair advantage handed to us by the authorities. Like other clubs still in existence we have tried and worked our asses off to get where we are. Are we really anywhere yet? who knows? But at the end of the day we try. Yes we realise that because of our sport we can race almost anywhere where we get a stretch of road, but like you say the price we pay for that is less viewership. So here's the catch 22 - drags and circuit attract 1,000,000x more crowd but have no where to race. Rally only attracts pit crews, family members, close friends and a handful of die hards (as seems to be the consensus) and thats only if Mckenzie and Lochan are racing. But we have 15-20 dedicated teams, a championship season and a foreseeable future. So what kill us for at least trying to keep a sport alive. Did it ever occur to any of you that your 'brilliant ideas' of the Stadium, the QPS and the Cross have been analyzed and for very good reason not done. Not because the potential has not been there. The fact is even if we did by a miracle pull off a section of the QPS (and don't bring the example of cycling for me which closes off only 2 lanes and allows vehicular traffic simultaneously) we would probably still be hung out to dry by the same people in this post for something else we did not do or someone we forgot to invite.

I am part of an executive and in my personal opinion it is really easy for people to come on this forum and talk a lot about how they would have done it and how much better it would have been etc etc etc. But where are you when we have our elections, our weekly (yes that's every week) meetings to try to plan and put on events. Sorry if i come across to blunt but i am tired of people getting on these posts and think that they have all the answers and know better. If that is the case come and do my job. I will happily step aside and let you take motorsport to higher heights. If it is the general opinion that the TTRC is not capable or 'doesn't have the manpower' to do it than why wait on us. Stop publicly criticizing us and come with constructive criticism instead - privately.

[De Bench]

Fiveforward, the events you have listed as Street Events; have you seen a any vehicle competeing in those events WITHOUT a roll cage ?

NO !!

Those are not grassroots or Clubman events, those are events for fully prepared professionally driven race cars.

The focus of this thread has gone totally askew.

The event that was hosted was a Trinidad & Tobago RALLY Club event.
It was a minor part fo the TTRC's 2 day event.

If anybody wants to compete in TTRC events, they need to do the following.

Join TTRC- Become a member.
Get a car that meets TTRC saftey requirements.
Pay your entry fee & Compete.

TTRC does not have any limitations on the type of car, 4wd, 2wd, FWD or RWD, as long as it's a car and it meets the club's rules you are racing.

As for as not being grassroots, Rawl Mahabir, Nissan March, I had a Corolla, Fawaz- Sunny, Shelford- Nissan B12 & B13, Barry Mc Kenzie, Charmant, Nissan Sentra, Erica & Mike- Toyota Corolla
You could not possibly want more grassroots than that ?

The problem with this is that NONE of you want to PUT a Roll cage in your car, you want to race in a stock car or HIGHLY modified car with no rollcage or any safety device for that matter
Wearing a helmet and a 2lb extingusher duct taped to your passenger seat is as far some of you are willing to go.
If this is your desire, then Solodex is exactly what you need to do, regardless of how good a driver you are or how fast your car is, you will not be competing in a High Speed rally without a cage, a proper cage and the necessary safety devices.

That is it.

I have been a member of TTRC for 12 years, TTRC host rally events, TTRC is NOT VK or any other body.
TTRC= TRINIDAD & TOBAGO RALLY CLUB.

If you guys really think that you can get the streets to Drag or Circuit, then you need to approach MATT, The Ministry of Sport etc....
Form your own club/organisation, formulate a plan and present it to the right organization- MATT.

While the exchange of ideas and visions are good, it's all being wasted here in the TTRC Forum.

Pool your collective Interlectual Resourses and present it to the right people.

[horsepwrjunki]

whoa.. i hope u dont think im misunderstanding u robbie.. u know all the pros an cons of the street events.. i dont think i can do it diff b/c i dont have th paticence that u have.. i have big issuses dealing with stupid ppl i cant beg an plead to get soem of the things done.. i dont think any one can say that the initative is not apreciated you cannot say that the preysal stage was a low turn out. an as u rember the chaguramus stages were like that... it is sad that we lost so many stages and the other tracks but no one can discount ttrc efforts to keep their sport alive a kicking .. ive just always been a firm beliver in this country's govt ppl who have the say are backward in the way they view motorsports. and sad to say it has alot to do wit the pplinvolved in the sport them selves.. personaly im alwyas willing to help but i cannot stand to see for example older and executive members of a club break writen an un writen rules jsut b/c no one will tel them other wise this shows a indiscipline that is prevalant through out the count... well look at where i end up.. n/m yes.. paddna as i told jakie, sio, julie etc. im always willing call me an see if i have the time.. how willing i am to cancel stuff to help out is always determined by how much BS i have to take to FREELY give my time.. for that i would rather not an take my "sprint" on my way home and get my jolies that way

[AutoSport]

^^^ So after catching my breath after trying to interpret what you trying to say in these trying times, hope we can all try to work together and try and move forward together, trying to make the different ideas work.

[fiveforward]

listen it's not my intension to offend n e one here, neith is t my goal to be a kutchur man. I personally would like to see an event of this style incorporate other disiciplines - that all. Whether it happens or not and how it happens is a logistic that can be worked over.

I am just saying something like this on a grander level to promote motorsport on the whole would be a nice ing to see......that's is it. Mr Cadiz as well as the contributors to this post accept my apologies as my ferver tend to get ahead of rational judgement at times.

cheers By the way good job on the event though, it was really cool, my mom actually liked it a lot.

[AutoSport]

^^^^ "cheers By the way good job on the event though, it was really cool, my mom actually liked it a lot."

Ah ha, now we know why you want another event - we will push just to satisfy your Mom!

[De Bench]

[AutoSport]

^^^^ Strictly competition Sir, no offroad jaunts here

[wagonrunner]

[De Bench]

The date has been set for this event.


It's going to be Holiday weekend

[djaggs]

Everyone that posted comments here should volunteer to work with the TTRC to help in planning and pulling off future events, whatever form they might take.

Its not enough to be disgruntled, you have to put your back to the plow and contribute to make things happen. I empathize with cadiz after reading his last post because i can tell that pulling off the events that they have been doing is an incredible amout of work and they have limited resources.
Nothing hurts a leader more than when he is giving his all and all he gets in return is criticsm, that really sucks.

If you dont have a car, you can hold a flag in your hand. Rallying needs marshals, lots of them. Competent ones at that.
Not everone is onto dragracing, I hate illegal racing on the public road so im not part of that crowd. Ive been there and done that many years ago when it wasnt as popular as it is today. Just because something is popular, that doesnt make it right and it doesnt help move the sport forward.

Anyway, more power to you guys, keep the sport alive, even if it barely is.

[De Bench]

TTRC, we have to run it like this

[De Bench]

TTRC, well done, streets on fire once more.

[Aaron 2NR]

cant wait for this weekend...all batteries charged and ready to go

btw where mih media pass for mih truck

[tr1ad]

medai pass is fuh media

[Aaron 2NR]

sorry boss

[tr1ad]

har har har

[Aaron 2NR]

i cud borrow yuh cam?