BYCC october 11th this sunday!

Blue · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:45 pm Post subject:

Yup... and that is just why the same course would be great. Like crix said... drivers can learn and improve on their mistakes.
When all the competitors in a class are fractions of a second apart then we know the level has been raised.

I propose setting 2 courses to alternate through the year. The BYCC will be the same course as the competition event to follow. That way competitors get the equivilent of a practice day and as a result less DNFs.Also more new compitetors will be encouraged... when they run the course in BYCC they will be more confident to come out for the competition event and run the same course (now that they know it)

corollalover101 · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject:

some good points being raised here

SUPAstarr · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:33 pm Post subject:

Quiksilver · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:36 pm Post subject:

I like the discussion and the points being raised, but IMO variety is the spice of life....
i like the idea of a constant course for a BYCC to test and tune your driving and a change up of the course for each dex...to me solodex teaches you how to read the course while you drive....

Blue · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:41 pm Post subject:

moti · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject:

though variety is a "spice of life" sometimes you only need black pepper and salt for seasoning.

take me for example
bycc events are great because i already know the course, so i tend to do all kinda stuff to vary my times (when the timing system is up) but that's what a bycc is for

but for a competition event you only got four runs which is (to me) not enough Embarassed

with a standard course you will have that course stuck in your head so when competition events come around you don't have to use your first and or second run getting used to the course (or in my case all four Embarassed

) so you will be functioning at your fullest Razz

.

chris1388 · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:24 pm Post subject:

^^ i understand but remember this is autocross.....not circuit racing. The very nature of the sport is based on varying courses and adapting driving style to suit. Dont take the short cut way by just practicing one course to get better....look at the guys at dex that win regularly regardless of the course......as you dex more you will be able to take advantage of any course right from the first run......look at ryan P, amir, vishnu, jodi......all these guys do what i am talking about. From their first run they make impressive times and they have never run the course before nor has the rest of the competition. What i am saying is.....with experience you and anyone else will get better, it just takes time. Use the bycc's to do practice. It is a set course for the bycc....come and run all day and learn to handle your car, so that when posed with another course your mind will already know how to approach a certain type of corner without ever actually driving the corner before.....its all about practice.

bluecurt · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:28 pm Post subject:

I totally agree with you Chris.
When someone gets to comfortable with the same course it becomes only competitive to those that already can drive.
Therefore i would like to keep a level playing field by having a different course at Dex and may be the same course for BYCC.

reza · Street 2NR Joined: 14 Jan 2007 Tech posts: 47 My 2NRide:

Using the same course may also allow one to play around with suspension settings/tyres in order to ascertain the best set up for a particular course and learn from it and possibly apply it to other courses.

and what Crix said as well. Very Happy

but on the other hand...running one course may become lil boring...

good points chris.

moti · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:52 pm Post subject:

chris1388, i understand what you're saying and I'm all in favor with the course being alternated for the competition events. i know practice makes perfect (or close) and I'm all up for getting a new course six times a year i mean that is how i was introduced to solodex. if the new head of dex decides to have only one course for the year i will support that decision. same as for if he/she decides to leave it as normal.

i mean after two or three events with the same course it will tend to get boring and i would love to see every event filled with more excitment than the last. the only thing that will guarantee this is the course layout varying for each competition event.

so be it we have only one course to run or six i am all for it.

what i would love to see is that all bycc events be timed so people will know if their times are improving (that's the only thing that will help us to know if any changes are working).

chris1388 · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:57 pm Post subject:

Ok, point taken moti, but i believe the best thing is to leave it as is with alternating courses BUT for the bycc's there is a fixed base line course that you can tune and play around with different setup and driving styles......this will allow you to gain the experience you will need to undertake any course......and yes the timing system should be there...what is the sense you come and put the effort and tweak your car and then can't see if you are improving or not, this is one thing i will stand with you guys for. The timing system MUST be used at the bycc's.

pete · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:02 pm Post subject:

I'm with chris on this one.

Change the course each time to allow the driver to develop the skills required to analyse a new course and develop their racing lines to suit. This is important in competition as all the drivers start the day as equals with regards to the track layout. EVERYONE must learn the course. If the same course is run every time it gives those with more track time an advantage and this isn't really what autocross is about.

However, the BYCCs should be the same course to allow drivers to test their setups and try different lines and compare their times outside of competition. I myself have wanted to try some new techniques but there hasn't been a BYCC this year since...? I hope I can make it on the 11th to try them.

saltydog · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:37 pm Post subject:

some good ideas here, if I may make some comments.

Chris i totally agree with you dex is not about the same course that is circuit. I however like the idea of the bycc course being the next competition course, that might work. Only championship events i am not sure if that is fair for the person that misses the bycc.

The timing system, I am all for running the timing system for every event. However at the bycc's there are so many people lining up all day that it makes operating the system tricky, data entry ect. Also the system only allows you so many runs, what happens when you exceed it - no more times. Also these are the days that new people tend to come out making it a higher proberbility that someone will hit the sensors or drive over the wire or something stupid like that.

I would like to see a good turn out for the agm with people that are willing to give of their time to run the club. I have been involved one way or another for too long now and it is someone elses turn. I would like to stress though if you cannot dedicate the time, and it is a lot of work, then DO NOT accept the position. You only make it harder on the other exec members that now have to do your job as well.

I like all of your ideas keep them coming. As far as the BYCC we need a better course than what we ran at dex 5, that course was far from adequate IMO

moti · Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:40 pm Post subject:

saltydog, see course posted on pg1 Twisted Evil

MadCrix · Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:26 am Post subject:

with prctise you CAN improve, if you have the will to do so

moti · Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:50 am Post subject:

MadCrix, so which will it be for you; one standard course for the year (first six months forward the other six reverse)

or

solodex continues like normal with a different course every competition event and a standard course for BYCC's

saltydog · Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 8:56 am Post subject:

might as well change the name of the sport one time to "time attack"

MadCrix · Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:01 am Post subject:

the sport is what u make of it. if the members want to try somehting then i am all for it

every sport evolves over time

and i for one track for 6 months and reverse for the later

moti · Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 9:01 am Post subject: