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pioneer punchin NOS
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| ejimmy wrote: | hoss that demo cant do nothing, yuh cant even play some music when yuh driving cuz all lock away in the back, yuh go to gallery with that and yuh get shake out no time,
if thats pioneer's vision for all of us.. well.. |
LOL@ shake out
Allyuh fellas really livin in ah box yes
LOL@ "can't do nuttin"....so what exactly eminence and bullet tweetah does do?...irritate the living daylights outta people who actually have a hearing and an appreciation for music.
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ChristianRD Sweet on this forum
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| pimptacular wrote: | tuner really have sum ignant people we  |
Ent !!!
Most of them could be found in Car Audio Classifieds.  |
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southside connections Shifting into 6th
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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the rcf is usable to 70hz accuratly, given u have a bandpass enabled x-over, that keeps it in a very sharp cutoff range
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70hz-1.2khz, at 24db/octave
after that you can have a driver involved, used from 1.2khz to 20khz, this makes it a 2way system
however, to make it alot more accurate and louder, you can go 3way
eg-
rcf l12p540 (50hz to 120hz)
rcf l10750yk (120hz-2.5khz)
rcf n450 driver- (2.5khz-20khz)
the resulting configuretion is a 3way and will allow for a much smaller driver unit being used
this ofcourse is only applicable if you have the proper enclosures being used for the midrange |
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pioneer punchin NOS
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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ahhh thank u southside, but having said that...do most "gallary" men even think about bandpass xovers?
most of the carshows i went and jus "listened" to some of these cars gave me a headache and left a sharp ring in my ear, distortion...music sounding monotonous...annoying...one tone bass...
But eh, these guys like it so  |
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3stagevtec punchin NOS
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| pioneer wrote: | most of the carshows i went and jus "listened" to some of these cars gave me a headache and left a sharp ring in my ear, distortion...music sounding monotonous...annoying...one tone bass...
But eh, these guys like it so  |
this is soo true.. but it's not a 'gallery man' thing.. it's a Trini thing.. |
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southside connections Shifting into 6th
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Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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well for one pioneer, i use them when possible
if my guys can't afford the active x-overs, i look into passive ones, and use a 15band or better eq
passives also allow for a much more simple system, utilizing just one 2 channel amp, or 1 4channel amp per left and right
both passive and active have their downfalls, but in most large gallery applications active will be much more useful in terms of control over each driver independently
passive on the other hand, well makes the both drivers play as one unit, making it very easy to control, well in terms considering that the x-over has been designed with variable slopes, and attenuations
another advantage to passive, is that it's a cheaper alternative and it's simplicity, but the major downfall would be the fact that you need a very powerful amplifer to achive full output from your drivers, since it has no dampening factor feedback for the amp to use
as i said b4, the advantages and disadvatages are numerous, and so, it would come down to your personal knowledge and skill level
remember, the crossovers are one thing, speaker frequency response is very tied into this, choose the right driver for the right applications, learn to use frequency response graphs and take the manufacturer's specifications very very seriously, as there is a very fine line to damaging the products
you can't go and take a midrange optimised driver and expect it to play midbass very well
hence i said, choose the right driver for the right application, and even the cheapest drivers will sound great
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pioneer punchin NOS
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 2:07 am Post subject: |
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But isn't it an overwhelming fact that most people using "pro audio" speakers just slap them in and assume they can be used as set of comps made for car audio applications?
Hence the annoyance and outright disgust they create in carshows and public places? |
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southside connections Shifting into 6th
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 7:53 am Post subject: |
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| corect is right & most trinins take advice widly and won't take time to look futher into their choices |
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:03 am Post subject: |
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thing with d guys who using d pro audio equip most of them just buy 2 of this & 2 of dat going on brand name & not specific model number , they dont take d time to go online & do some research about d freq operating bandwidth to after pick out what pieces of equipment will work well together
they start off with a low model deck with only 1 pair of rca , put in a preamp & then a cross , they dont know what speaker operates within what band width & what to cut off d freqs , buy some low end brand amp\s which is also most likely not enough power for d speakers\drivers then turning up d gain "to max out d power" at d same time doing d same with settings in d deck .
I really wonder about d guys who buy a higher end deck with 3 sets of rcas which have at least a 7 band eq & they put a preamp on it or a 6xs or matrix or epi or matrix etc because thats what their padna do or installer advise , now they cud never get d set to sound clear since too much thing to tune & if u turn 1 up it throws off d other piece of equipment in d chain ....keep things simple ! |
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southside connections Shifting into 6th
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:34 am Post subject: |
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here's a very simple system as said, and as used-
pioneer 3100ub
6xs
thats it, and it is capable to be tuned very well, and you can drive up to 2 amps off one pair of outputs comfortably |
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silent_riot Riding on 17's
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:26 am Post subject: |
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Sorry to stray, but I think its a valid point...
What kinds of setups do the few good sounding gallery cars actually run? eg. Comfort, the tweety tuned cifero.
Maybe that will help the guys who are looking to get into it start off on the right foot. |
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southside connections Shifting into 6th
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:57 am Post subject: |
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they have usually a very very complicated set
eg tweety tuned-
2 15 band eq's, and at most times it's a lanzar
in comfort's, well all i cud manke out was a mcd360 and a preamp |
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southside connections Shifting into 6th
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 11:58 am Post subject: |
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they have usually a very very complicated set
eg tweety tuned-
2 15 band eq's, and at most times it's a lanzar
in comfort's, well all i cud manke out was a mcd360 and a preamp |
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silent_riot Riding on 17's
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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Well I honestly think that maybe that's the kind of processing one needs to sound good with a gallery setup.
I can see the need for a 15 band EQ or more to get the response where they want it outside the vehicles. |
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southside connections Shifting into 6th
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| but at most times it's not nessary, too much processing can cause alot of problems |
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| tweety uses 2 ppi pcx2400 to run his tens and 8s, and smaller ppis to run other things, i cant link mids and amps cuz he has a lot of speakers in there. |
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silent_riot Riding on 17's
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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But at most times, gallery vehicles don't sound good...plain and simple.
What I'm saying is that if the few that do sound good needs that level of processing, then the ones that want to sound good should be utilizing that level of processing to tune their systems as well. |
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(...Rovin...) 3NE 2NR Power Seller
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:33 pm Post subject: |
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to 'dial in' those loud mids imo if ur hu has a good EQ it helps alot to 'smooth out' & raise some of d dips & peaks some of those speakers & drivers naturally have
u ever notice alot of those vehicles with drivers does not really play d very 'fine highs' - thats because some of them on their HUs & processing they dont have those bands they can use to adjust ... though some drivers like some of d selenium models just does not have that wide a freq range so they fall short & simply cannot play d 'fine highs' ... u see ppl adding tweeters to get those highs ...with a bit of EQing d n850 rcf actually do a good job on d 'fine highs'..... |
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| also u cud have all d best equipment & best install but d most important thing imo is a good quality recording ...try using a lowish bit rate mp3 on ur set & hear how crappy that sounds ... |
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ChristianRD Sweet on this forum
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| (...Rovin...) wrote: | | also u cud have all d best equipment & best install but d most important thing imo is a good quality recording ...try using a lowish bit rate mp3 on ur set & hear how crappy that sounds ... |
I totally agree |
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